Wanted a small Eb, and found one :-)

Tubajug · Post by **Tubajug** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:47 pm

C'mon...you know we want to see and hear more than that....

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:33 pm

More pics to come...

I was to have it stored until I was finished with some other (playing) projects,
but after a conversation with 58Mark I was just to curious to try it out.

Serial number dates it to ~1895. Not surprisingly a 3V and pitched right where I want it -> 440(+)
Sealing some undiscovered leaks can of course change that

Pat S · Post by **Pat S** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:05 pm

The engraving set the hook, but I'd love to see the whole horn!

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:12 pm

There is an issue with the mouthpiece thou.....admittedly

Best results seems to be with a moderate bore, shallow bowl and also moderate width.

The solo can't be had with anything below 32mm, but has the 7.4 bore
The G&W has the more limited rim with, OK bore but is not offered in old British
A contrabass trombone piece has a larger shank (?) and usually a rather generous bore...And very often also deeper

Houser could probably make a rim that has a smaller diameter than the cup...Like on the LM12,
but that might be a veeeery long shot

Bob Kolada · Post by **Bob Kolada** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:31 pm

Contrabone shanks can easily be had in bass trombone size.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:55 pm

If it has the small receiver, try a Wick 4 or 5 (no letter)

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:29 pm

58mark wrote:Well you know my research on that subject. If joe's solo cup isn't right, what about a Bobo TT?

Are the cups very different?
I assume it has a larger bore?

Aw well. I listed and sold my Solo2 to purchase a 3pcs solo with the 0 brit. shank (and a 1or2 am shank)
Better value for money. Maybe I'll get Houser to make me a custom rim. More out of curiosity to try out then to make this my main axe

It plays remarkable well thou. Intonation is surprisingly good
Obviously one thing they traded going bigger

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:19 pm

Specs for the Yamaha Roger Bobo mouthpieces can be found here:

http://www.mouthpieceexpress.com/pages/ ... _bobo.html

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:42 pm

Kevin Hendrick wrote:Specs for the Yamaha Roger Bobo mouthpieces can be found here:

http://www.mouthpieceexpress.com/pages/ ... _bobo.html

Oh...specs sounds promising....hmm
And I just pulled the plug on a new Solo 2 minutes ago

But there again...I have a MPC that can be used for my other tubas as well

I think I'll just let my-selves believe that this is the best the world has to offer!
Easier that way!!

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:10 am

Pat S · Post by **Pat S** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:27 am

VERY nice horn. I actually love the look of the brass peeking through the silver finish in places... very vintage.

jacobg · Post by **jacobg** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:45 am

What is the closest modern equivalent to a horn like this?

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:40 am

the 321 would be much bigger. Not sure it can deliver much more thou (?)
If they ever made a 103 Eb, it would probably be more like it (or a 621 eb)

The closest today would probably be a Besson 1000 Eb, but I'd actually take
the Conn any day, despites its, in my case, not too tight valves

Vintage oil FTW

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:11 pm

Just recent played a 321 a few days ago as one of my young and promising plays one. It sure feels bigger. I'll bring my conn for the next class.

Sure easier to drag around than any other tuba I've got

ghmerrill · Post by **ghmerrill** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:01 pm

jacobg wrote:What is the closest modern equivalent to a horn like this?

This one is a bit smaller than the Besson 1000. Also a lot less expensive. Have no idea how it plays. The bore size is a bit larger than on my Buescher, but the bell is a lot smaller, and it's at least two inches shorter. Kind of like an uncompensated bass euphonium in Eb

. It definitely is "a small Eb".

http://www.wessex-tubas.com/junior-eb/

Tubajug · Post by **Tubajug** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:53 pm

Very nice horn! The few that have popped up around here lately (Mark's, there was one discussed in the ebay forum a while ago) seem to be in remarkably good condition for their age. You would expect a horn that's well over 100 years old to be a little more beat up I would think...Great looking horn!

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:57 pm

ghmerrill wrote:
jacobg wrote:What is the closest modern equivalent to a horn like this?
This one is a bit smaller than the Besson 1000. Also a lot less expensive. Have no idea how it plays. The bore size is a bit larger than on my Buescher, but the bell is a lot smaller, and it's at least two inches shorter. Kind of like an uncompensated bass euphonium in Eb . It definitely is "a small Eb".

http://www.wessex-tubas.com/junior-eb/

It is a bit more 'wrapped' than a Besson 1000, but hands down.
It is a nicer horn to play.

How ever you look at it. Besson 1000 is an overpriced entry level instrument made in India

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:01 pm

58mark wrote:How are the false privileged tones on yours?

Privileged are there.

I was playing the R&J for a contratubist friend just for fun, and he was impressed.
"hey......those tones really speak!"

I wouldn't use so strong words haha, but they are there and yes.
It's fun to take that li'll 3V bugger and play chromatic down to AA

ghmerrill · Post by **ghmerrill** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:55 am

Lectron wrote: It's fun to take that li'll 3V bugger and play chromatic down to AA

The same is true on my Buescher. The false tones speak well and in tune. And with adequate volume for at least some situations. Playing fast passages in that lower range is quite challenging, but is primarily a matter of skill (which I currently don't have

, but am working on).

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