beating a dead horse

TexTuba · Post by **TexTuba** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:41 am

k001k47 wrote:DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS MUSIC SET TO BETTIE PAGE DANCING, SO DONT CLICK ON IT IF THAT OFFENDS YOU.

I, SIR, AM OFFENDED!!!

k001k47 · Post by **k001k47** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:01 am

TexTuba wrote:
k001k47 wrote:DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS MUSIC SET TO BETTIE PAGE DANCING, SO DONT CLICK ON IT IF THAT OFFENDS YOU.
I, SIR, AM OFFENDED!!!

I don't know what to tell you, pal.

David Richoux · Post by **David Richoux** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:08 am

k001k47 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N63DfmSKBc

This video proves one of the precepts of a radical improv music group I was in - All Random Events Are In Synch!

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:21 am

k001k47 wrote:
TexTuba wrote:
k001k47 wrote:DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS MUSIC SET TO BETTIE PAGE DANCING, SO DONT CLICK ON IT IF THAT OFFENDS YOU.
I, SIR, AM OFFENDED!!!
I don't know what to tell you, pal.

As am I -- several times so far, and probably several more times before all is said and done (and, as usual, far more will be said than done) ...

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:38 am

Sure! Just google any word with an "ist" added at the end:
http://www.scrabblefinder.com/ends-with/ist/" target="_blank

scottw · Post by **scottw** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:38 pm

bloke wrote:Tintypes" (an obsolete method of photography) were mostly taken in the 1860's - 1870's... Indeed, when many Americans see a "tintype", the first thing that comes to their mind is "(ref. 1860's) Civil War photograph".

...so reasonably presumably (particularly considering the style and mechanics of the instrument) this is a picture of an 1860's tuba.

tuba tintype 1860's.JPG
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-9-Plate-Tinty ... 1254403120

As can clearly be seen, the "tuba" from this era (around the time that Guiseppe Verdi was writing orchestra parts for something called a "cimbasso"), except for how it is all "wrapped up" is very close to the same overall taper (except, probably, that the valve section bore of this 19th Century "tuba" is probably smaller) as a late-20th/early 21st Century "cimbasso". If a slightly larger bell throat size is observed on this "tuba", it is certainly closer to the size of a 21st Century "cimbasso" than it is to most any 21st Century (even classified as "3/4 size") "tuba".

The entire time of my trolling thread about "Verdi (reportedly, in one of his writings) hating the tuba", not only was I trying to get some academician/performer to admit that they really don't know exactly what (??) a "cimbasso" may have been, but (more to the point) to admit that the actual reason that they bought/own/use a (modern-day) "cimbasso" is (not because Verdi instructed them to use it, but) because (as the instrument they bought/use likely has little to do with anything Verdi ever saw at the time he wrote those c. 1860's pieces) they want it, and because they like it.

So far, no one (but me) has been quite ready to (simply) admit that they bought one just because they want it and like it. (...well...maybe UncaBeer is the exception...)

Is it SO bad to (simply) buy/own/use an instrument because one *likes* it, or must one (particularly in the genre of "classical" music) always find some historical "reason" or "permission" to buy/own/use/enjoy playing an instrument ?

Is it just me, or is that photo flipped? It appears to be a top valve, but look at the leadpipe coming off the wrong side. A lethanded saxhorn?

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:09 pm

Tintype images are generally 'reversed'....
Mark

sloan · Post by **sloan** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:45 pm

jonesmj wrote:Tintype images are generally 'reversed'....
Mark

Unless they are selfies.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:52 pm

Hi-
Well, Verdi did go to the maker Pelitti and got the inst in Bb that he wanted--is this an early valved cimbasso????

Mark

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131146644834?ss ... 1423.l2649" target="_blank

eupher61 · Post by **eupher61** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:38 pm

what size cup was used in that video of the G String?

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:21 am

k001k47 wrote:
TexTuba wrote:
k001k47 wrote:DISCLAIMER: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS MUSIC SET TO BETTIE PAGE DANCING, SO DONT CLICK ON IT IF THAT OFFENDS YOU.
I, SIR, AM OFFENDED!!!
I don't know what to tell you, pal.

What offends me the most is people getting offended.

MikeW · Post by **MikeW** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:06 pm

bloke wrote:hmph!

Er...

isn't that spelt "Harumph!" ?

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:02 pm

"The Cimbasso and Tuba in the Operatic Works of Guiseppe Verdi: a Pedagogical and Aesthetic Comparision," Alexander Constantino Doctor of Musical Arts Dissertation, Approved August 2010.

http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/675 ... tation.pdf" target="_blank

sloan · Post by **sloan** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:20 pm

dukes4-2.jpg

k001k47 · Post by **k001k47** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:01 pm

the elephant wrote:
TubaRay wrote:What offends me the most is people getting offended.
That was really offensive.

Were your defenses compromised?

duderubble · Post by **duderubble** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:16 pm

This thread reminded me of something I observed recently. I was picking my son up from a junior high party and they were playing catch phrase. The secret phrase was "beating a dead horse". When it was revealed one little girl--the prettiest but perhaps not the brightest at the party--wondered aloud, "why would anyone do that?"

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