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bloke wrote: ...This thing from Glenn Cronkhite (a re-purposed SLIDE F contrabass trombone bag) holds the instrument, mpc/oil, and a bulky/sturdy K&M stand...
Great, all that and even the stand. Any chance to see a picture of the open case with all stuff in it?

Very happy to see/hear more of the F valve trombones in many different situations :D
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Thanks, what a nice outfit. Looks almost as the case was made specifically for the busy gigging F valve trombonista :)
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bloke wrote:Playing this is starting to become a little bit more second nature.

As I've mentioned before, use and mastery (not to mention venting) of the #1 slide trigger is vital for serious use.

Both of the 1st valve Bb's ask for the #1 slide to be triggered nearly all the way out.
The 1st valve G asks for the #1 slide to be triggered all the way in (i.e. completely relax the trigger).
The middle Eb (as well as the neighboring D) needs about a 1/2 trigger.
The 5th partial A and Ab need to be played on the 4th partial with 1-2 and 2/3, and the A can use some triggering. (3rd valve is too low for that A.)
The upper F and E natural (above the staff) ask for 1st valve for F and 1-2 for E (both with the #1 slide slightly triggered.
There really is no way to play low A (234) up to pitch other than "lipping". Even resetting those slides isn't much of an option, because none of them are already pulled out very far.
...so the low A is really the only "bane", and everything else has a workable solution.


fwiw, I'm using my own Solo cup with a "0" (zero) back-bore and a standard shank.
Hmmm.....sounds like this thing has more tuning issues than, say, the old M-W 2155R or most Alexander tubas. Yet you have bitched about the intonation issues on those tubas but give this a "pass" because it is your new toy. Funny stuff :lol:
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The comments here and there about this being a big band bass trombone substitute concern me. It can well be an addition (see cimbassonista!), but a lot of classic big band bass trombone parts are just last tenor trombone or even valve tenor trombone. If one was a full on valve guy trying to use it in a big band I'd strongly recommend also bringing an Olds marching trombone or the like.


Source: don't own one of these, but did have two F contrabass trombones and have a small bore chimp now. Big trombones sound like big trombones. :mrgreen:
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Bob-
As Chris shows in his YouTube review, these horns are really incredible--and for the price, absolutely amazing. You should try one of these out-- you'll be hooked. I get mine back tomorrow from my repairman with the modifications done to it--can't wait...
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Roger. Been there, done that (even in concert band transcriptions!), though that usually seems to be a contrabass role below a bass trombone.
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Hi-
Just got mine back from the shop with the modifications done to it :

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Hand bar/ Bloke bar added, a brace similar to the bloke suggested brace added, silicone bumpers long gone, casings cleaned out of 'schrapnel,' rotors much, much quieter, etc. Horn is better and a blast to play--intonation superb!
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Joe-
Yes, but very easily corrected. Nothing bad at all...but use of the 1st v trigger is a MUST...
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do they make these in Eb or just F?
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ken k wrote:do they make these in Eb or just F?
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Wessex will have an Eb cimbasso available August. This is made specifically in Eb and not just longer main tuning slide. Price the same as our F cimbasso
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I'll wait for the travel cimbasso-- the 'cim-midget'....
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ken k wrote:
do they make these in Eb or just F?

Might we see a CC Cimbasso in the future? Any rumors out there?
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jimmilo wrote:ken k wrote:
do they make these in Eb or just F?

Might we see a CC Cimbasso in the future? Any rumors out there?
Hi-
One would think that the F is the most used and will be the top seller but in England and for Eb tubists, having one in Eb would be handy.
IMHO, the whole idea is to blend in with the trombones---while a CC cimbasso would be fun :D for total obliteration of an orchestra, would there be a big enough market for one? I don't think so...just my thoughts...
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Looks familiar-I like !
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bloke wrote:
Casca Grossa wrote:Lightweight Bloke finger paddles in the works???
naw...but - attached to a high-speed tuner - I'm going to hook a servo up to that #1 slide trigger.
:D :D :D
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I've now checked off the next-to-last dechinafication procedure, which was filing down the valve casings to remove all of the end-play from the rotors (i.e. "click-click-click-click-click-click"...etc. ).

I came back in from the shop, ran my fingers across all five levers over-and-over, and (well, particularly not being a tuba...which amplifies all of that percussive noise) Mrs. bloke - from across the room - could not tell when I was operating the rotors and when I was not.

Joe-
That was one thing my repairman did not do (yet?) since he put a shim-glued in -in each rotor cap ( similar, sort of, to the old Mirafone screw in each rotor cap) to quiet the rotors with the new bumpers in and so far, so good.

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He said the filing down the valve casings was the next step and was time consuming ( ie-pricy-$35-40 per rotor) and wanted to see if what he has done will work and save him time and me $$$...
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Joe-
Just listened to both-IMHO, the blend is much better with cimbasso on these pieces than a tuba. Nice...
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jonesmj wrote:Just listened to both-IMHO, the blend is much better with cimbasso on these pieces than a tuba.
Of course as we all know - Monteverdi hated the tuba.
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bloke wrote:Obviously, these bearings are the type with the "lip" (ref: most French horn rotor bearings). Had they been the "set-in" type (ref: most tuba rotor bearing), I would have had to buzz down the thickness of each bearing plate on the lathe, rather than simply filing material off the threaded end of each open casing. Had I wanted to do a "prettier" job, I could have gone back over each casing with a sharpening stone, once the file work was done...but that just didn't seem important, or to be any sort of contribution to functionality.
NOW I get it. I was trying to figure out how filing the back of each casing could make the bearing seat any lower, based on the tuba rotors I am mostly familiar with. Makes sense to me now.
P.S. I just listened to the recordings. They sound good, but I kept waiting for the tuba to come in. :?
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