Euphonium Mouthpiece Suggestion

[Radar]

Now that I've been playing Tuba for a while (I have settled into using a Conn Helberg MP on my YBB-321 Tuba, and Holton Sousaphone), I find myself wanting to go to a bigger MP on the Euphonium. My Euphonium is a YEP-321S with a small shank receiver. I know I should get a Euphonium with a large shank receiver, and I probably will some day when funds allow, but in the interim I'm looking for a larger and deeper mouth piece than the Yamaha 48 that came with the horn that I've been using that will fit in the small shank receiver. I'm considering ordering a Shilke 51D with a small shank (unfortunately no one has any locally to try out), are there any other options I should consider. I recently went back to playing the Remington MP on my 88H trombone (switching from a Shilke 50 with a Conn Remington Shank) and that Rim size seems to work well for me. I'm using a Yamaha 59 on my Bass Trombone but I'm considering going to a Shilke 60 on that also. I have good tone spend a lot of time playing longtones, etc. So I'm not looking for a Mouthpiece fix to cure an problem, I'm looking to get a darker Euphonium tone on the Yamaha so I'm looking for a more conical deeper mouthpiece for that horn, and a larger rim size wouldn't hurt either.

[pgym]

Nothing wrong with a 51D, though I prefer the 52E2.

Some flavor of Denis Wick Y or S shanks would fit your 321. I'd suggest trying a 4AY or 4BS.

[gregsundt]

I'd stay away from anything too deep. It will tend to play flat on a small bore euph. I struggle with a 52D, but the Wick 4BS works well. To come close to the width of a Remington, though, I think you might be closer to a 5 or 6BS.

[eupho]

Some pro doublers use 321s and have the mp receiver changed to a large bore. There are of course a large selection of mouthpieces out there and ultimately the choice needs to be yours. The Brian Bowman series are very good and I think would work well on a small bore horn. I suggest making a day trip to a large dealer that carries a variety of mouthpices and sit down and try them on your horn.

[PMeuph]

. My Euphonium is a YEP-321S with a small shank receiver. I know I should get a Euphonium with a large shank receiver, and I probably will some day when funds allow, but in the interim I'm looking for a larger and deeper mouth piece than the Yamaha 48 that came with the horn that I've been using that will fit in the small shank receiver.

For $50-$75, a competent tech will remove your small shank receiver and put on a large one. It's an easy operation and opens up a whole world of possibilities in terms of mouthpieces available.

[ghmerrill]

I am primarily a tuba player, and I regard the 51D as WAY too small on a genuine euphonium. See below for the DE mouthpiece I often use, but otherwise I use a Wick 3AL. It gives me a range (on a compensating euphonium) from an octave below the bass clef staff to about an octave above it. Many advanced amateurs and pros use a Wick 4AL or something similar. So a 4AY might be a good choice. You can look at the Wick chart here: http://www.dfmusicinc.com/mouthpieceChart.pdf, and otherwise I'd suggest looking at Dave Werden's forum ( http://www.dwerden.com/forum/forum.php#.UzWQL6jN3n8) since these issues are often discussed there.

[Radar]

Thanks for the suggestions so far, I appreciate the input. Lots of good suggestions.

[Radar]

Just a quick update for everyone who made suggestions. I did get a 4AY and it is working out pretty well for me. I have talked to my horn tech about putting a large shank receiver on the horn, and I'll probably do that in the future.