UMI-52J-York-Franken-CC

[Mudman]

In reality, its a Kink.

King 2341 designed valveset, Conn label, York Bell = KiCK

[Uncle Buck]

Bloke is about the only poster on this forum who regularly makes me laugh out loud.***(Please see the disclaimer four posts down.)

I realize I'm nowhere near an expert on this topic, but I have a really hard time believing that there was "something" that gave the York bells their characteristic sound that "can't" be duplicated. Building a tuba bell isn't the same thing as what went into a Stradivarius (which really can't be duplicated).

[Rick Denney]

Regarding a project that I've yet to finish...I spliced one of those "tall" 18-inch diameter York bells on to a (B&M - German-made) 4V "York Master"...Of course, I had to chop of the bottom coupla inches of the small end of the bell to fit the YM bottom bow...

You were cutting that YM to C, as I recall, so some shortening was no problem. I haven't found a York bell that would fit into the bell ferrule and be long enough to keep the TM a BBb instrument.

Actually, a Miraphone 186 bell would come close to fitting, if you trimmed several inches off the narrow end. It would have a much better taper to a larger throat, which would be good. But it would not have the larger bell. The sound would probably be a bit more like B&M was accustomed to, and less like a Grand Rapids York.

I do think the YM would be improved with a bell stack that had more taper and a larger throat.

Rick "who hasn't found a suitable bell to try" Denney

[Uncle Buck]

By the way, on re-reading my previous comment (about bloke making me laugh out loud), I realized that it could be taken two ways.

What I MEANT was that his jokes make me laugh out loud, including his pictures of the York Master and the York Bastard.

I did NOT mean that his opinions make me laugh out loud. I didn't realize until I re-read it that it could be taken that way. He obviously knows his stuff.

[Chuck(G)]

You were cutting that YM to C, as I recall, so some shortening was no problem. I haven't found a York bell that would fit into the bell ferrule and be long enough to keep the TM a BBb instrument.Denney

I used the GR York bottom bow as well as the bell on my YM-to-CC conversion. Worked very well and the result is a very sweet horn. I left the 4th slide on the back of the horn, which was a mistake, however--it's more than little uncomfortable at times, so I'll move it one of these days--probably when I add the 5th valve.

I suspect a BBb Keefer bell wouild work just fine as a replacement on the original YM, but they aren't really common--and the Keefer BBb is a pretty good horn without canibalizing it.

[ThomasDodd]

York Master __________________ York Bastard

I think they are labeled wrong. Given the discussion thus far The YM sounds like the bastard...