LS: York 6/4

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:27 pm

I am in love. I need this.

bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:36 pm

TubaZac2012 wrote:I am in love. I need this.

Then I hope you have the cash on hand to do it. Put all other plans on hold, and pick this up. You can always buy another Chinese CC, euph, etc. This one is truly unique, and should be EASILY re-sellable if you decide it's not what you want.

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:13 pm

bort wrote:
TubaZac2012 wrote:I am in love. I need this.
Then I hope you have the cash on hand to do it. Put all other plans on hold, and pick this up. You can always buy another Chinese CC, euph, etc. This one is truly unique, and should be EASILY re-sellable if you decide it's not what you want.

Oh, Bort, I know.. And the crazy thing is. I've played one of these before! If it plays as good as it looks, I would seriously be in heaven. This is the York tuba sitting in my music shop in my town that needs to be restored. This rings with me especially.. I just might have to sell my soul and go back to BBb.

bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:48 pm

I hear you... I'm all about pursuing opportunities as they come up. This horn is unique, the ones you own are replaceable (not suggesting that's a bad thing, just a reality of supply).

Best thing to do? Give Lee a call. He's a wonderful person who will tell you exactly what this horn is (and isn't).

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:09 pm

bort wrote:I hear you... I'm all about pursuing opportunities as they come up. This horn is unique, the ones you own are replaceable (not suggesting that's a bad thing, just a reality of supply).

Best thing to do? Give Lee a call. He's a wonderful person who will tell you exactly what this horn is (and isn't).

Just called Lee. I think I'm gonna have this puppy shipped to the great South gentlemen! I'm going to play one today to see if this what I really want to play for a few years, but if it plays like I think it's going to, I'm taking care of business tomorrow!

Bort, unique is a good word, but it's hard to find horns like this in such marvelous shape. I can't wait to get out of the office and try the one in terrible shape to see if it's meant to be!

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:28 pm

lost wrote:Congrats!!! It's a fair price. Cant wait to hear your review.

Youtube will be involved. If it happen of course.

TheHatTuba · Post by **TheHatTuba** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:57 pm

Not sure if Lee addressed this, but the receiver on the 91 Yorks can be very large (larger than euro shank). Might want to check that out and see if you'll need an adapter. Best of luck!

Walter Webb · Post by **Walter Webb** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:04 pm

Has anyone compared this to the somewhat more common Martin Mammoth 6/4, 3 valves, .750 bore, 24" bell forward? I would think they have similar characteristics, but still, I wonder...

bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:19 pm

Yeah!!! Awesome, let us know how it goes!

roweenie · Post by **roweenie** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:13 pm

It appears to have a new receiver along with the lead pipe.

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:32 pm

TheHatTuba wrote:Not sure if Lee addressed this, but the receiver on the 91 Yorks can be very large (larger than euro shank). Might want to check that out and see if you'll need an adapter. Best of luck!

I've played on a full original York 91, the horn that's for sale. My Blokepiece Grand Orchestral works fine.

TheHatTuba · Post by **TheHatTuba** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:01 am

TubaZac2012 wrote:
TheHatTuba wrote:Not sure if Lee addressed this, but the receiver on the 91 Yorks can be very large (larger than euro shank). Might want to check that out and see if you'll need an adapter. Best of luck!
I've played on a full original York 91, the horn that's for sale. My Blokepiece Grand Orchestral works fine.

Alrighty, sounds like you're good to go!

One local to me has a receiver that is absolutely larger than euro shank, so just wanted to make sure.

Alex C · Post by **Alex C** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:46 am

Walter Webb wrote:Has anyone compared this to the somewhat more common Martin Mammoth 6/4, 3 valves, .750 bore, 24" bell forward? I would think they have similar characteristics, but still, I wonder...

Even though the large Martins and other large tubas look similar, they are totally different animals. As mentioned, the Martin bore was quite a bit smaller. While both are good manufacturers, the end result if different and they play differently as well. While I prefer playing on the Yorks, there is nothing wrong with a big old Martin.

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:58 am

Alex C wrote:
Walter Webb wrote:Has anyone compared this to the somewhat more common Martin Mammoth 6/4, 3 valves, .750 bore, 24" bell forward? I would think they have similar characteristics, but still, I wonder...
Even though the large Martins and other large tubas look similar, they are totally different animals. As mentioned, the Martin bore was quite a bit smaller. While both are good manufacturers, the end result if different and they play differently as well. While I prefer playing on the Yorks, there is nothing wrong with a big old Martin.

Really? Because the pictures I've seen of Martins look HUGE, like a bore of .900, joking of course, but you know what I mean. They look like they're massive. I may add one of those to my collection, eventually. They look pretty sweet.

Frank Ortega · Post by **Frank Ortega** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:00 am

For your perusal, here is an original 1931 Martin Handcraft 6/4 BBb next to a 6/4 CC Nirschl/York

These horns are nearly identical. And, when listening to several major players from Chicago and abroad, play on a lineup of BBb tubas with the Chicago York CC, and including a BBb 6/4 York, the Martin, with it's smaller valves, was closest in tone and timbre to the CC York, in the estimation of Several other tubeneters and I who were there at Carnegie, on those days. (This is perhaps the longest run-on sentence that I've ever written!)

IMHO - the smaller valve set allows for a more nimble and responsive instrument with great projection. Can't wait to play Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet on the Martin with the Chelsea Symphony next month!

Just my 2 cents - FWIW

Frank

Walter Webb · Post by **Walter Webb** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:56 pm

What is the bore size of the big York? The Mammoth Martin is .750"

Walter Webb · Post by **Walter Webb** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:41 am

Just for the halibut, regarding bore sizes, I went to my early 60s Martin Mammoth [has the RMC shield on the bell, 24' removable bell, bell throat 8" across] and pulled a few slides to measure. They are all 3/4" in diameter. Did I do that right, to get bore size? The main slide starts at 13/16", and goes to 7/8".

When I first got this Martin, it played horribly stuffy, which is why it was only $1100. The seller was honest enough to warn me, but I took a risk, thinking it probably had a dead mouse in the tubing. Thanks to some kindly Martin experts around here, I learned to get the valve stems lengthened and the ports aligned. It was wayyy off. Somebody had done a piston plating job and put it back together with the wrong stems! It played just good enough, I guess, that nobody complained. Now, it feels very responsive and all notes speak loud and clear. At full volume, this horn is seismic. The windows rattle. It is unmanageably heavy and awkward to play. I've got it in a Wenger Tuba Tamer and can handle that if I sit directly behind it. It is a very long reach to the pistons. I need a longer arm, but if I rotate the tuba forward enough, my thumb enters the ring just right. There's more to the story, involving the skills of Martin Wilks, but maybe I'll move this to the right TubeNet section. If you get the Giant York, please tell us all about it!

apsapienza · Post by **apsapienza** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:32 pm

TubaZac2012 wrote: This is the York tuba sitting in my music shop in my town that needs to be restored.

Small world, I know exactly which horn you're talking about - I was on the road two summers ago, and I stopped in that music store for oil or something and saw it just sitting there. First York I'd actually ever saw in person. Can't remember the name of the music store though :/

TubaZac2012 · Post by **TubaZac2012** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm

apsapienza wrote:
TubaZac2012 wrote: This is the York tuba sitting in my music shop in my town that needs to be restored.
Small world, I know exactly which horn you're talking about - I was on the road two summers ago, and I stopped in that music store for oil or something and saw it just sitting there. First York I'd actually ever saw in person. Can't remember the name of the music store though :/

Couldn't have been Alabama Music, could it?

bort · Post by **bort** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:55 pm

Hey Zac -- did you get it yet?

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