Jupiter 582 or Allora 186?

goodson · Post by **goodson** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:00 am

I am a band director who needs to buy a new Tuba for the school next year. I am currently looking at getting a Jupiter 582 but I have just seen the Allora 186. What opinions do you have on these horns and are there other models and brands that you would recommend for $2500.

tubathig · Post by **tubathig** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:09 am

Niether one, you can find a much better instrument that either one of these if you are just patient. You could spend about five or six hundred dollars more and get a cerveny, new. Otherwise search for a young used instrument of higher quality. I am sure that the allora would be fine for an individual, but kids are rough on school instruments-especially tubas. Every jupiter I have every played was awful. The craftsmanship is poor as well. All though this has been several years since I have played a jupiter and I have heard that they have made drastic improvements to their product. I would try to buy something that can hold up to being treated like a pogo stick, like most school tubas are. My 2 cents-Jeremy

Jeffrey Hicks · Post by **Jeffrey Hicks** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:24 am

May I recommend a third? How about a Weril 980. It is a clone of the Yamaha 321. I think it would hold up much better and be more usuable by students of all sizes. Baltimore Brass sells them and I think the Amazing Joe Sellmansberger can get you one also. Good Luck.

dopey · Post by **dopey** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:32 am

my school uses cerveny 681s and i've had great success with the one i play.

CJ Krause · Post by **CJ Krause** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:44 am

CJ Krause · Post by **CJ Krause** » Tue May 04, 2004 7:55 pm

Matt G · Post by **Matt G** » Tue May 04, 2004 9:37 pm

Charlie,
Joe was refering to the Jupiter and the Allora. The Jupiter is made in Taiwan (Republic o' China) and I'm pretty sure that the Allora is mainland China.

Scott Sutherland · Post by **Scott Sutherland** » Wed May 05, 2004 1:39 am

I'd like to chime in on the Jupiter tuba mentioned in the original post. A student of mine recently bought one of these from Steve Ferguson, and it is a fabulous instrument that should be on all band directors' short lists. It has a great sound and response (particularly for a BBb) and relatively good intonation. It is fairly even throughout the entire range of the horn and I have yet to see evidence of poor craftsmanship.

I agree with Joe that schools should not purchase rotary valve instruments. Many small parts that when damaged, too easily throws a horn completely out of commission. Instead, I highly recommend the Jupiter 582 for all of my students looking for a solid, inexpensive BBb horn.

Let me also point out that I believe many of the people that are discounting the Jupiter probably have not played the new 582. Before this horn, I would have never remotely considered recomending a Jupiter to my students. With the 582, I have no problems. It's a great student horn.

CJ Krause · Post by **CJ Krause** » Wed May 05, 2004 9:27 am

tubathig · Post by **tubathig** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:50 am

The yamaha 321 would be fine, if you wanted your fourth line f to be 25 cents sharp always. The VMI or Cerveny are worlds ahead better of the 321. it is just a student/intermediate line instrument and you get what you pay for.

elimia · Post by **elimia** » Thu May 06, 2004 7:09 pm

I play a Weril 980 euphonium - great horn, it is actually that good of a deal for the price. I sent back an Allora - wouldn't play in tune for anything.

Go with the Weril, you'll be glad that you did.

Ryan

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