I'll go first. There's just too much smoke here for there not to be fire. McVeigh comes back from the Gulf War with anti-American zeal and middle-eastern friends. Before most of us really understood the degree of Al Qaeda hatred for Americans or knew anything about McVeigh, witnesses reported two white guys and a third guy who looked middle-eastern. So do I think that the OKC bombing has Islamist fingerprints on it? You BET I do!
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Joe Baker, who adds "but of course I don't know that for certain."
Oklahoma City...10 yrs.
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I'm looking at a magazine on my desk whose cover says: "Suppressed Issue: Guerilla War in the US". Inside are various articles about the subject, including maps of "Terrorist Incidents" giving dates and locations and other specifics.
What wouild you guess that the date on the magazine was? Answer-January, 1971. And it's an issue of Scanlan's--a Canadian magazine. It pointed out that various guerilla groups had been on the rise since 1965. Heck, Oregon had assassination attempts by the Rajneesh group back then.
Our enforcement and justice system had decades of warning for Oklahoma City and was asleep at the switch.
What wouild you guess that the date on the magazine was? Answer-January, 1971. And it's an issue of Scanlan's--a Canadian magazine. It pointed out that various guerilla groups had been on the rise since 1965. Heck, Oregon had assassination attempts by the Rajneesh group back then.
Our enforcement and justice system had decades of warning for Oklahoma City and was asleep at the switch.
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If you are interested in hearing the real truth regarding terrorism in this world, check out the article below.
http://lcg.org/files/magazines/julaug20 ... 407_01.htm
http://lcg.org/files/magazines/julaug20 ... 407_01.htm
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Shockwave
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This was an era of crackdown on separatists, militias and cults. Whatever the reasoning was, Waco and Ruby Ridge happened and it was the same cast of characters. Governments love when catastrophic events happen that give them popular support for things they wanted to do anyway that wouldnt have had any support beforehand.
I havent thought about this in a long time so if my memory is wrong don't shoot me!
Someone had tried to blow up the Murrah building before, and he swore that on the day of his execution, something terrible would happen. I believe he was executed the day of or the day before the OKC bombing. Federal agents had infiltrated the militias and knew what was going on. I think the dupes who perpetrated this had help from dozens of experts without even realizing it.
In 1994, the ATF started a program with experts testing ANFO truck bombs after there had been no vehicle bombs exploded in the US in many many years. One of those experts happened to be first on the scene after the bombing and reported right then and there to his superiors that an ANFO truck bomb had exploded.
As I recall, an official report listed the cause of the collapse as cutting charges placed on the main support columns.
After learning about such events as Spartacus marching on Rome, The Maine, Pearl Harbor, The Gulf of Tonkin, and Operation Northwoods, I'm very cynical when it comes to governments and catastrophic events. So-called terrorism is not real because, as governments always seek greater power, it only benefits the government of the victims. Anyone who is smart enough to plan an attack is smart enough to realize that. Those who truly wish to control the actions of governments threaten and assassinate individual leaders.
-Eric
I havent thought about this in a long time so if my memory is wrong don't shoot me!
Someone had tried to blow up the Murrah building before, and he swore that on the day of his execution, something terrible would happen. I believe he was executed the day of or the day before the OKC bombing. Federal agents had infiltrated the militias and knew what was going on. I think the dupes who perpetrated this had help from dozens of experts without even realizing it.
In 1994, the ATF started a program with experts testing ANFO truck bombs after there had been no vehicle bombs exploded in the US in many many years. One of those experts happened to be first on the scene after the bombing and reported right then and there to his superiors that an ANFO truck bomb had exploded.
As I recall, an official report listed the cause of the collapse as cutting charges placed on the main support columns.
After learning about such events as Spartacus marching on Rome, The Maine, Pearl Harbor, The Gulf of Tonkin, and Operation Northwoods, I'm very cynical when it comes to governments and catastrophic events. So-called terrorism is not real because, as governments always seek greater power, it only benefits the government of the victims. Anyone who is smart enough to plan an attack is smart enough to realize that. Those who truly wish to control the actions of governments threaten and assassinate individual leaders.
-Eric
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On this, the 10th anniversary of the tragedy in Oklahoma City, isn't this just so wonderful to read?
http://www.cq.com/public/20050325_homeland.html
http://www.cq.com/public/20050325_homeland.html
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---Begin History Lesson---TexTuba wrote:Who's Lewis Mumford?Chuck(G) wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the new Lewis Mumford...TUBACHRIS85 wrote:You know what I would say to do about all these terrorists, this I MY oppinion.
"Nuke them, before THEY nuke us"
My comment was perhaps a bit too obtuse. I apologize--and I'll fill you in.
LM was a well-known writer in the decades between 1920-1980, who commented on a variety of stuff, including urban development, politics, social issues and you-name-it.
He was one who voiced strong opposition to nuclear weapons programs and was an early critic of our involvement in Vietnam.
However, in 1965, he published an open letter that was carried in many US newspapers advocating a nuclear attack on Beijing to win the war in Vietnam. Now, this was more than a little strange because it was the Soviet Union that was supplying the Viet Cong. Perhaps he had Vietnam confused with Korea--we'll never know for sure.
Nevertheless, Mumford for a time became the poster child of the hawks.
Mumford was a great writer when the subject was architecture, but was completely out of his depth when it came to politics and world affairs.
Sort of like Shockley writing about genetics...
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OK + 10 yrs.
When you ask, "Whats(sic) wrong with people these days!!!!!!!???????" you are posing a question I have often asked. When you say that you feel we are the only normal people left, though I understand what you mean, I must hesitate when I tend to agree. In the eyes of much of the world, WE are the ones with the problem. And, although I disagree with most of the world on that one, I cannot defend some of the thinking which exists in our country today. Let's face it. Some of us are pretty screwed up. Of course, I know I'm normal. LOLTUBACHRIS85 wrote: WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE THESE DAY'S!!!!!!!???????
I feel that we are the only few people left that acctually seem to be normal when compared to the rest of the world.....
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Re: OK + 10 yrs.
TubaRay wrote:Of course, I know I'm normal. LOL
Me too!!! The shrink said I'm good to go! Let's give it up for da toobah!!!
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Re: OK + 10 yrs.
You guys totally lost me. What are you talking about?TubaRay wrote: I feel that we are the only few people left that acctually seem to be normal when compared to the rest of the world.....
When you ask, "Whats(sic) wrong with people these days!!!!!!!???????" you are posing a question I have often asked. When you say that you feel we are the only normal people left, though I understand what you mean, I must hesitate when I tend to agree. In the eyes of much of the world, WE are the ones with the problem. And, although I disagree with most of the world on that one, I cannot defend some of the thinking which exists in our country today. Let's face it. Some of us are pretty screwed up. Of course, I know I'm normal. LOL
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Re: OK + 10 yrs.
Shockwave wrote: You guys totally lost me. What are you talking about?
The quoted question in particular.TubaRay wrote:When you ask, "Whats(sic) wrong with people these days!!!!!!!???????"TUBACHRIS85 wrote:WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE THESE DAY'S!!!!!!!???????