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TubaZac2012 wrote:if that all makes sense.
Sure does. That said, every few years, I think we owe it to ourselves to refresh our memory. Our playing abilities, attitudes, and preferences change over time... and it's not impossible that something we used to like is actually now quite appealing.

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gregsundt wrote:Rudolf Meinl. Old school, but still one of the best.
While I agree whole heartedly that the Rudys are great, and I have played one exclusively since 1978, their 5/4 is really a 6/4 by any other manufacturer's definition. That said, their 4/4 (which would correspond to the size the OP was asking about), never seemed to catch on as well as their 3/4 and 5/4.
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So, no rotary horns need apply. Yeah, right. Sorry. I didn't see that in the original post. Well, that certainly makes it "easier." What are the best beaches in the US? Oh - sorry, no, Destin doesn't count - I was only thinking about beaches on Puget Sound. Most beautiful woman? Oh, wait -- no blondes. When I started trying to find sounds to emulate, I was immediately drawn to folks like Bishop, Schmitz, Thornton (Alex 163). Oops -- can't count them because they all played rotary horns. Giving up on half the universe is odd. But giving up on THAT half is utterly mystifying.
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happyroman wrote:While I agree whole heartedly that the Rudys are great, and I have played one exclusively since 1978, their 5/4 is really a 6/4 by any other manufacturer's definition. That said, their 4/4 (which would correspond to the size the OP was asking about), never seemed to catch on as well as their 3/4 and 5/4.
I owned a Rudy 4/4 for a while, and never really thought it was like a 5/4 -- it was slightly bigger than my old Miraphone 188, but not by that much. And no, the 4/4 doesn't quite have the instant magic of the 3/4 or 5/4. Still an excellent horn though.
jeopardymaster wrote:But giving up on THAT half is utterly mystifying.
I'm pretty much the opposite, I rarely seek out piston tubas -- just don't like most of them, and find my happiness in rotary horns. Never say never, but for me, I'm really only interested in rotary horns. Heck, if I was fine with pistons, I'd probably just buy a Kanstul and be done with trying to track down an American-made CC tuba. (Hey Zig, make a friggin rotary tuba!)
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Give the Miraphone 1293 a whack. That and the Thor would be my choices.

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I just ordered a JP Sterling 379CC from Bloke. 4 Pistons and a rotor. It's a copy of a Hirsbrunner 4/4 but a large 4/4. That may be something to consider as well. I'm planning on posting a review after I take delivery and am comfortable enough on the horn to evaluate it.
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I just ordered a JP Sterling 379CC from Bloke. 4 Pistons and a rotor. It's a copy of a Hirsbrunner 4/4 but a large 4/4. That may be something to consider as well. I'm planning on posting a review after I take delivery and am comfortable enough on the horn to evaluate it.
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Roger Lewis wrote:Give the Miraphone 1293 a whack. That and the Thor would be my choices.

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Is the 1293 that much better than the 1291? I've seriously considered a Thor. Great horns.
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bloke wrote:I found a pretty good 5/4 CC tuba here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hldjdndS9js
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cktuba wrote: I think his point is (and please correct me if I'm misinterpreting Bloke)... make the horn you have sound the way you want it to.
Very true! People do tend to think new equipment is going to make the sound in their heads - while lessons and practice would often be a better strategy
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Neptune wrote:Very true! People do tend to think new equipment is going to make the sound in their heads - while lessons and practice would often be a better strategy
Certainly a valid point, but I will say it can be frustrating have to make the sound that is in someone else's head instead.

For example, I played for many years in a band where the conductor was a 40+ year (now 50+ year) clarinet player with a major US orchestra. His idea of "tuba sound" was based on what he heard in the orchestra, that of a 6/4 York-style tuba. I like to think I'm a pretty decent tuba player, and can reasonably make a tuba do what it's supposed to do... but playing a rotary 4/4 tuba for someone who expects a 6/4 York style of sound just isn't something grounded in reality.

Eventually, I sold that 4/4 tuba for a Miraphone 1291, which gave a broader sound and more output per effort, and was a much better match for what he desired, and was all around less work and more enjoyable for me to play as well.

Maybe this wouldn't have been an issue in a band with a "tuba section," but frankly, I've yet to really understand what the heck a "tuba section" is. Besides high school "honor bands" where there's a set quota of tuba players that they MUST select, I have very rarely played in bands that have more than 2 tuba players, and frequently I have been the only tuba player (or the only tuba player of significance -- reality, not ego here).

So yes, although you can make a tuba sound differently based on different and better technique, that only goes so far (unless you're one of those freak of nature tuba players who can do anything on any tuba... and TubeNet is NOT the place where those folks hang out). I think it's about getting the biggest sound per effort, and sometimes that just means using a bigger tuba... even if someone else can make an equal sound with a smaller tuba.
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With all due respect, your age and experience matters. When a 24 year old kid shows up with a brusque 70 year old conductor, it's just different than when a highly experienced adult shows up. The conversation and tone of the feedback is just different, in part because he knew I was young and had potential to do more than just play in his once-a-week band. He was occasionally complementary, but constantly did his best to push me to be better.

I remember him pulling me aside after rehearsal once, telling me that the orchestra was performing something-or-other that weekend, and there were a lot of big tuba parts in it. He said something like "I'll leave comp tickets for you at will call, come and listen to Fedderly -- now that's what a tuba should sound like." I went, not because I needed to be told what a tuba sounds like, but because hey, it was free and it was good. :D

And in my experience as an occasional ringer... when the conductor knows you're "the help," and doesn't see a need to spend much (if any?) effort in trying to make changes since it's not a long-term thing. If there's really a problem, you just won't get asked back.
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Kyle Turner made a 54J work in the NY Phil. Maybe the new Eastman CC could be a consideration for 5/4 buyers even though positively in the 4/4 territory.
Just an esoteric thought.
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tclements wrote:Tuono by MW
I think I could agree with that. Now, where to find one?
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Well after careful consideration I have decided to keep the 4/4+ tuba that I have, have a 5th valve added to it, and eventually get a nice 6/4 in the future. The reason I decided to stay with what I have is because the York hybrid I'm playing now has a great sound throughout the whole horn. I also got to play with a REALLY good trombone section and we recorded the hour and a half session. I had no problem blending, staying in tune with the section, and cutting whenever I needed to. So there's really no reason to get another horn. Thank you all for the advice and such. I'm glad this produced such interesting conversation.

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TubaZac2012 wrote:Well after careful consideration I have decided to keep the 4/4+ tuba that I have, have a 5th valve added to it, and eventually get a nice 6/4 in the future. The reason I decided to stay with what I have is because the York hybrid I'm playing now has a great sound throughout the whole horn. I also got to play with a REALLY good trombone section and we recorded the hour and a half session. I had no problem blending, staying in tune with the section, and cutting whenever I needed to. So there's really no reason to get another horn. Thank you all for the advice and such. I'm glad this produced such interesting conversation.

Thanks,
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