Wessex; The long and short of it.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:30 pm

kmorgancraw wrote:
toakstertuba wrote:Whoa, just noticed a huge difference in the fifth valve linkage between our three horns... crazy. I'd like to just add as a reassurance to potential buyers of this horn, it seems that there may have been some rough edges to buff out when this horn was first released, but as for the latest batch, I'm not having any issues...
I have no issue with the horn other than the whole thing sits flat, it's a great playing tuba no doubt.

Agreed, 5th valve linkage looks like it has been 'cleaned up'/ more efficient....works great and in tune 5th slide on the horn...small tweaks/updates are expected (another example: engraving on front valve caps)....BUT the real issue remains for the Main Tunng Slide Length...

toakstertuba · Post by **toakstertuba** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:35 pm

bisontuba wrote:
kmorgancraw wrote:
toakstertuba wrote:Whoa, just noticed a huge difference in the fifth valve linkage between our three horns... crazy. I'd like to just add as a reassurance to potential buyers of this horn, it seems that there may have been some rough edges to buff out when this horn was first released, but as for the latest batch, I'm not having any issues...
I have no issue with the horn other than the whole thing sits flat, it's a great playing tuba no doubt.
Agreed, 5th valve linkage looks like it has been 'cleaned up'/ more efficient....works great and in tune 5th slide on the horn...small tweaks/updates are expected...BUT the issue remains for the Main Tunng Slide Length...

I mean it could be a little shorter, but mine plays in tune with about a quarter inch to spare... you can see mine is almost an inch shorter. So I think it's fixed...

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:04 pm

Ah, you mean the 5th v tubing, not about the linkage.....seems OK on my horn.. Maybe a slightly different wrap...who knows....the issue for some remains the main tuning slide....
Regards-
Mark

bort · Post by **bort** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:09 pm

Send the whole thing back and ask it to be replaced with "one of the good ones."

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:41 pm

I have just seen this thread. That is the first time I have seen photo of kmorgancraw particular Berg concerned. Does look like main tuning slide too long on that example - it is longer than on same batch of Berg that arrived in UK which I have referenced regarding tuning. I don't know how that long slide slipped through the quality assurance checking? So of course now I properly understand the problem, Wessex will credit for it to be shortened under warranty.

Sorry for this apparent error and to kmorgancraw for the misunderstanding (a situation where a picture is worth a thousand words).

We are checking another batch at factory this coming week, so will particularly ensure that the MTS issue is fixed once and for all!

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:49 pm

Neptune wrote:I have just seen this thread. That is the first time I have seen photo of kmorgancraw particular Berg concerned. Does look like main tuning slide too long on that example - it is longer than on same batch of Berg that arrived in UK which I have referenced regarding tuning. I don't know how that long slide slipped through the quality assurance checking? So of course now I properly understand the problem, Wessex will credit for it to be shortened under warranty.

Sorry for this apparent error and to kmorgancraw for the misunderstanding (a situation where a picture is worth a thousand words).

We are checking another batch at factory this coming week, so will particularly ensure that the MTS issue is fixed once and for all!

Very good news!!!

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:16 pm

bisontuba wrote: Your horn looks like if you put it on your lap or use a tuba stand when playing, the main tuning slide--even all the way in--would be in the way--looks like it is almost below the bottom bow...yikes....

I've played several $30,000 Thein tubas where the slide extends even farther past the bottom bow. Not saying it's a good thing; just that it's not only a problem on Chinese tubas.

roughrider · Post by **roughrider** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:57 am

bloke wrote:Isn't the MAIN THING (according to the TNFJ) the "sound" ?

I keep reading here that "intonation" considerations are secondary to "sound".

Who are these sissies who aren't man enough to take a great sound and make it be in-tune?

Some people need to stop whining and man up.

+1

PaulMaybery · Post by **PaulMaybery** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:53 pm

Seems as there has been an old adage about something like that. Great response and sound and the intonation gets wobbly. Fix the intonation and one of the other two items gets weakened. Get them all balanced and you have a not so impressive sounding instrument.

My vote is for the sound, and then figure out how to play it in tune.
Chops, extra valves, slide pulling, main tuning slide adjuster or a combination of tricks.

Sure would be nice if you could have it all.

roweenie · Post by **roweenie** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:34 pm

bloke wrote:Isn't the MAIN THING (according to the TNFJ) the "sound" ?

I keep reading here that "intonation" considerations are secondary to "sound".

Who are these sissies who aren't man enough to take a great sound and make it be in-tune?

Some people need to stop whining and man up.

+2

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:39 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Did the Thein play unusably flat? I would bet not.

It did not, but hopefully we can agree that this is not an optimal design. Thein's been in the piano building business for centuries, but have building brass instruments only 50 years or so, and tubas even more recently. They're (outrageously expensive) noobs in the tuba market, and should probably not be miscalculating horn length considering the price they charge. My two cents.

Ken Crawford · Post by **Ken Crawford** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:53 pm

Well this has devolved...

Michael Bush · Post by **Michael Bush** » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:19 pm

Bob Kolada · Post by **Bob Kolada** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:11 am

UncleBeer wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Did the Thein play unusably flat? I would bet not.
It did not, but hopefully we can agree that this is not an optimal design. Thein's been in the piano building business for centuries, but have building brass instruments only 50 years or so, and tubas even more recently. They're (outrageously expensive) noobs in the tuba market, and should probably not be miscalculating horn length considering the price they charge. My two cents.

Some tiny pieces of randomly placed metal should fix that right up.

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