Star Wars vs The Ring

Jonathan Fowler · Post by **Jonathan Fowler** » Fri May 20, 2005 9:06 pm

I'm fascinated by the similarities. I know Star Wars is a "Best of" world myths and religions, and the Ring is based on the norse "Edda" epic but as tuba players (and the other one too...the euph...oni..um?) I thought it might be interesting to find some more subtle ones.

I'll start

Hero (Luke, Siegfried) doesn't know his Father is the Antagonist (Wotan, Vader)

Hero (Siegmund, Luke) doesn't know this woman he just met is his sister (Sieglinde, Leia)

Hero must make his own weapon (Siegfried in Siegfried Act II...Vader mentions this to Luke in Jedi)

Overcoming the eternal mother/father ie cutting the apron strings (Siegfried kills Fafner, Luke kills the "Vader" in the cave)

corbasse · Post by **corbasse** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:30 am

Off Topic: One tiny stupid spelling comment: you turned around the e and i in every single German name. That way they would be pronounced SAYG-freed sayglinde etc. I've noticed before a lot of Americans have difficulties with the correct order of double vowels.
The word Sieg means victory, conquest, triumph. Fitting for the heroes of a story. The word Seig is a nonsense word.

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:18 am

The "Lord of the Rings" is apparently largely based on the same Icelandic saga.

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sat May 21, 2005 6:06 am

corbasse wrote:... I've noticed before a lot of Americans have difficulties with the correct order of double vowels.
The word Sieg means victory, conquest, triumph. Fitting for the heroes of a story. The word Seig is a nonsense word.

True -- it's useful only as a "seig-way" into another topic ...

CJ Krause · Post by **CJ Krause** » Sat May 21, 2005 9:39 am

corbasse · Post by **corbasse** » Sat May 21, 2005 10:28 am

CJ Krause wrote: Its a shame SW didnt have a real director that knew how to use his actors and actresses and get them to bring something to the movie.

I'm afraid the same would be true for quite a few ring performances

Using themes from Norse (or any other) mythology as a basis for stories like these doesn't surprise me. Those stories were told and retold for hundreds or even thousands of years for a reason.

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:26 am

corbasse wrote:I've noticed before a lot of Americans have difficulties with the correct order of double vowels.

'I' before 'E', except after 'C', or when sounded as 'A', as in "neighbor" and "weigh".

Works well for engllish, but not german. However, few Americans can even pronounce Wagner or Volkswagen. Do you expect them to spell german correctly:?:
Most cannot even spell english

corbasse · Post by **corbasse** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:41 am

ThomasDodd wrote:

'I' before 'E', except after 'C', or when sounded as 'A', as in "neighbor" and "weigh".

Works well for english, but not german.

Why not in German? It's Siegfried

I before E, and not a C in sight

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:15 pm

corbasse wrote:
ThomasDodd wrote:
:idea:
:arrow: 'I' before 'E', except after 'C', or when sounded as 'A', as in "neighbor" and "weigh".

Works well for english, but not german.
Why not in German? It's Siegfried :arrow: I before E, and not a C in sight ;)

Because "ie" and "ei" are both very common in german. English speakers who can barely spell english words, quickly get confused. They don't have a clue which order is correct.
The few german word they might know don't help.
Like hiessen (Ich heisse Thomas?),

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:55 pm

ThomasDodd wrote:Because "ie" and "ei" are both very common in german. English speakers who can barely spell english words, quickly get confused. They don't have a clue which order is correct.

Youi know, a little more protein in the diet might help them think better:

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu May 26, 2005 6:40 am

Hi John!

You have to love the way these threads can just go in any direction. Anyway, your comparisons are good. I think people have done this before though. I bet you can find websites dedicated to this.

Stefan