Cigars and the finer things

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Mon May 30, 2005 11:52 pm

I just had the cold brew....oh,...and I didn't practice today either

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:23 am

You can have the cigars... I'll take the finer things!

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Joe Baker, who shared a picnic lunch and a bottle of wine with his wife yesterday, next to this stream.

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Tue May 31, 2005 1:40 pm

obake wrote:Was just wondering if there are any cigar smokers lurking TubeNet. Recently I've been enjoying a good cigar and a cold brew after a good practice session. I realize the health issues, but aren't we allowed afew vices

I prefer a glass of whiskey with my pipe.

But I seldom get the time for the pipe. I tend to smoke cigars while mowing the grass.
Not enough sources for good cigars around here, but more choices than for the pipe. No one make their own blends here. Same problem with cigarette tobacco. Not much selection.
Sure the "big" names are here, like Tops, Bugler, and Zig-Zag, but that's the cheap junk. I might as well buy the pre-rolled crap for Phillip Morris, RJ Reynolds, or Winston-Salem.

Kind of like smoking a Hava Tampa or Swisher Sweets.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Tue May 31, 2005 2:26 pm

Just to show that some folks can ruin any vice:

http://www.saintives.com/essays/tobaccosong.htm

Also:

"Tobacco is an Indian weed,
From the devil it doth proceed,
It picks your pockets, burns your clothes,
And makes a chimney of your nose."

Kevin Miller · Post by **Kevin Miller** » Tue May 31, 2005 7:56 pm

There's nothing quite like a fine single malt and a Romeo & Juliet.

Well. maby a fine single malt, and a Romeo & Juliet in the company of Scarlet Johansen

Kevin Miller · Post by **Kevin Miller** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:03 pm

OOPS!! Pardon the spelling. It's Scarlett Johansson. My intellect is blinded by her beauty.

Dylan King · Post by **Dylan King** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:16 pm

I prefer the mellow smoke. But I also enjoy a good Dominican cigar, which for my $ are just as good as most Cubans. I also dig those American Spirit cigarettes. Bob Dylan turned me on to those. I really wish he hadn't, but I'm hooked.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:49 pm

a good Dominican cigar, which for my $ are just as good as most Cubans.

I went to the Dominican Republic a few years ago on vacation and just for kicks brought the guys in the office back some Dominican cigars. I don't smoke, but the guys in the office did smoke cigars and they wanted to kill me because I didn't tell them I was going to the D.R. They told me they would have loaded me up with loot to buy them cigars because a great deal of the growers there are actually Cuban and when they left took the plants from Cuba with them. They agreed to a head that the cigars I brought them were better than any Cubans they had had in the past.

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:44 pm

I'm with Joe B - you guys keep the cigars and I will stick to the finer things.

I had enough of a scare with the lump that was cut out of my mouth last winter, but the Lord had mercy. The only things I have ever smoked were underprepared competitors and a few sets of radials.

MaryAnn · Post by **MaryAnn** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:11 pm

Well, I will not kiss anyone who smokes cigars or anything else stinky. So if your Spousal Unit is not already trained, and you're shopping for one, that's another twig to throw in the basket.

I don't have a problem with brew-breath or single-malt breath, as long as it is from "just one" and is not from a plethora.

MA, who thinks cigar breath is best left outside her entire life.

Teubonium · Post by **Teubonium** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:58 pm

I celebrate special occasions with a Crown Royal on the rocks and a Partagas #10

Adam C. · Post by **Adam C.** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:50 am

I've learned it's impossible to have a good conversation about tobacco, especially on these here internets.

Started with cigars, mostly the good ones, now trying pipes. I prefer the aromatics of pipe tobacco over cigars, though the "buzz" is a bit weaker.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:45 pm

MaryAnn wrote:Well, I will not kiss anyone who smokes cigars or anything else stinky. So if your Spousal Unit is not already trained, and you're shopping for one, that's another twig to throw in the basket.

I don't have a problem with brew-breath or single-malt breath, as long as it is from "just one" and is not from a plethora.

MA, who thinks cigar breath is best left outside her entire life.

I'm with you MA. I quit a three-pack-a-day habit about ten years ago and now I won't even get close to ANYONE who smokes cigarettes, cigars, pipes.... or chews. I practically gag when I have to work on the horn of someone who uses tobacco

. There ain't nothin' worse than a reformed smoker

. The really big problem is that smokers don't know they stink

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Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:05 pm

Well, it's yoiur life, but if you're after a self-destructive and addictive habit, I think narcotics or alcohol would be preferable. I've lost several family members, including my father, to the noxious weed and think you'd have to be nuts to use it. Death by tobacco isn't quick and isn't nice, take my word for it.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:51 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:Well, it's your life, but if you're after a self-destructive and addictive habit, I think narcotics or alcohol would be preferable.

Speaking from experience, driving racecars into mountains and missing by a little isn't much fun, either...

Adam C. · Post by **Adam C.** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:24 pm

Remember too, there are folks who do smoke *in moderation*.

I was having a cigar while on tour recently, something I do once every week or two, and someone said to me "I didn't realize you were a smoker!"

My response was something along the lines of "well, I'm not really, I only do it once in a while, etc". It seems to me that most people, once they see you smoke, assume it's habitual and label you a smoker.

There's alot of connotation that comes with that label I'd rather not be associated with.

funkcicle · Post by **funkcicle** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:30 pm

one more for 'the finer things'

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:17 am

Chuck(G) wrote: Death by tobacco isn't quick and isn't nice, take my word for it.

A Dallas-area radio talk-show host told of a conversation he had with a doctor he met. The doctor asked if he smoked: yes, he did. "Well," the doctor said, "I hope you get lung cancer." The smoker asked how he could say such a thing. The doctor responded, "Look, if you're a smoker, it's virtually certain that you'll eventually die from either lung cancer or emphysema. Lung cancer will only take a couple of years to kill you, but with emphysema you may linger in pain, unable to catch a decent breath, for ten or fifteen years. You don't want ten or fifteen years like that; so I hope you get lung cancer."

The idiot talk-show host quit for six months -- then started again. I've never been a smoker, so I know I don't really understand the hold it gets on people. Those of you who smoke, I hope you will do whatever it takes to quit; those youngsters of you who don't, PLEASE don't start.
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Joe Baker, whose father died from lung cancer at the age of 57.

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:47 am

Joe Baker wrote:
Chuck(G) wrote: Death by tobacco isn't quick and isn't nice, take my word for it.
The doctor responded, "Look, if you're a smoker, it's virtually certain that you'll eventually die from either lung cancer or emphysema.

Just ask George Burns about that, to pick a well know cigar smoker.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA ... ,3,00.html

Yep, it'll sure kill you, early! I hope to die early like he did.

Joe Baker, whose father died from lung cancer at the age of 57.

My father died at 55. He smoked as long as I ever knew. Heart attack around 45. Tripple bypass. Died 10 years later when they went in for another bypass. No cancer, not emphysema. No signs of either.

Did the smoking contribute? Maybe, but I'll bet his diet and (lack of) exercise was more a factor.

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:12 am

ThomasDodd wrote:
Joe Baker wrote:... it's virtually certain that you'll eventually die from either lung cancer or emphysema.
Just ask George Burns about that, to pick a well know cigar smoker.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA ... ,3,00.html

Yep, it'll sure kill you, early! I hope to die early like he did.

I put that word "virtually" in there with George Burns specifically in mind. Everybody knows of somebody who is seemingly genetically immune to lung cancer, who smoked for 70 years and died in a hang-gliding accident. Those stories are remarkable because of their rarity. The research is overwhelming that in MOST people smoking causes lung cancer, heart disease, and emphysema.

I understand the addictiveness, and I bear no personal condemnation for people who have been unable to break that addiction, but to defend it is foolish. It is a habit that is expensive, offensive to people nearby, is contributive to asthma and other breathing problems among children exposed to it, and almost always damaging to the health of the smoker. What possible redeeming qualities are there to offset the negatives?

To be sure, cigar smokers have a lower incidence of lung cancer than cigarette smokers, but a higher incidence than the public at large and a MUCH higher incidence of cancers in the mouth and throat. Since those cancers often result only in disfigurement, not death, I suppose cigars are better than cigarettes.

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