newest opinions on school tubas

[Uncle Buck]

I just wanted to register another vote for everything Chuck has said. The Yamaha YBB-321 makes a GREAT school horn. It's even a pretty good horn for college bands. When I was in college, the school had other tubas for the music majors, but most of the concert band tuba players who weren't majors played on a YBB-321.

[Uncle Buck]

Heck, I've seen band directors knock over instruments.

On my first day of student teaching (with one of the most well-respected band directors in the state at the time), I watched in dismay as the director sat on a timpani while teaching. I was remembering my percussion method class, where the instructor had cautioned us to move a timpani by holding on to the body - but never the rim. "Moving a timpani by the rim is like dragging a brass player by the lips."

So, I didn't even want to think about what sitting on a timpani is like . . .

[Charlie Goodman]

My school now has four Miraphone 186's. Two we've had for about five years, and they lasted that long with hardly a scratch. We got one more last year and another new one this year. Now all four horns look like crap, even the new ones have been knocked over, and they've gone back to being treated like junk.
A year ago I would have argued that some schools can handle the nice instruments, but it really matters the kind of kids you have playing them. For the past few years, we've had mostly serious players. The rest have since graduated (two going into music) and now we've got a group of morons who knock stuff over and say, "Well, it's not like it's mine."

By the way, aren't St. Pete tubas a little hard to get ahold of for school consumption? I was under the impression that they were kind of a pain to get over here.

[tofu]

I bought one of those Besson New Standards used when I just got out of college 25 years ago. It's 34 years old years old now and it is built like a tank. It feels like it is twice as heavy as my Rudy Meinl. Horn has survived falling down a flight of stairs in its case and me landing on top. Horn came out looking great - can't say the same for me!

Horn is a 3 valve comp and plays well. Yes, the bottom has resistance but you learn to play through it. Notes slot extremely well and it has both an excellent high and low end and a nice sweet sound. If it wasn't for the fact that I don't like upright valves (and the lousy ergonomics of the horn in general) it would rank right up there as a terrific horn.

This could be the exception to the rule as I've never owned much less played any other Bessons or the knock off versions. If the others play similiarly to this one I would say it would be an excellent school horn both in terms of durability and playability. I would say that if you could buy them used for $1000 and had an economy overhaul done to them you would have an excellent instrument for less than $2000 that would play well and give years of excellent service while withstanding less than great care from high schoolers.

[Chuck(G)]

The New Standards had one other advantage--if the student insisted on playing with the fingerings shown in "the book", the 1+3 combinations stood a fair chance of playing in tune owing to the compensating system.

[Bandmaster]

Unlike Jupiter, Weril pistons don't turn black and seize every few months.

Jupiter claims that they are now making their valves out of stainless steel, so just maybe that problem has been solved.

I tested most of the horn mentioned in this thread at the NAMM Show last January and I thought the Jupiter 582 out played most, if not all, of them.

This thread seems to have gotten away from the point of the original question. What is a good "affordable" tuba? Purchase price considerations seem to have floated out the window... Miraphone, Yamaha, MW and Besson are wonderful horns, but are just a bit on the high side of the price scale.

[Chuck(G)]

Thank you for all of the opinions! I would love to go with the new Kings, but from what I figure even a competitive bid price would be over $4k. I am looking for tubas for $3K and under. While I am at this, I ought to ask you guys think about Euphs. I love yamahas but they are definately too expensive. I have played the Jupiters before, but the valves were not all that hot. But that is the price range I am looking at. Any other opinions on good euphonium values? Thanks Again!

How abouit the Weril H980? Virtually a knockoff of the YEP-321 but with a bass shank receiver. Construction quality isn't quite as meticulous, but your students won't be jamming the valves in cattywumpus (I've always wanted to use that word in a Tubenet post because the top of the valve casing hasn't been relieved. DEG handles them and parts aren't hard to obtain.

[MartyNeilan]

I just wanted to make a comment on the Cerveny tubas (and the many stencils they are sold under.) A lot of schools buy them for the price point/ The quality can vary widely, but they can be excellent horns. HOWEVER, they absolutely will not withstand school abuse because of teh thin soft brass used. A couple of years ago the district in my town chose to buy several Cervenys because they were about $1000 cheaper than the stronger built Miraphone S186, and they were able to get one more tuba for the same money. The horns are now in fair to terrible condition. Interestingly ehough, they have a Yamaha 4 rotar BBb that is twice as old as the Cervenys but in the same or better condition, that thing is built pretty strong.
Don't think I completely knocking Cervenys because they make a great horn for the serious player. However, I just feel they don't belong in the average school system.
FWIW, I think we should cut the kids a little slack. Tubas are big awkward items that are very fragile, and kids are clumsy. Some denting (but not trashing) will happen no matter how hard we try. How many of us ever dented a horn when we were in school?

[windshieldbug]

Further, school kids today (unfortunately...no matter how you try to "teach" them otherwise...' very bad parenting, on average) view equipment as disposable and treat it as such

[leehipp]

Go to dalyantubas.com and check out the Berlin and the Perinet. Either of these three would make a great school horn especially for the price. They are being distributed by Orpheus Music in San Antonio and can be purchased through your local music dealer or WWBB.

Good luck.

[Ace]

Lee,

I've looked at the Dalyan site and am very curious about these tubas, hoping that they are good horns.

Apparently, you have tried some of the Dalyan tubas? If so, are any of them a "Pro" level horn? I'm particularly interested in the Dalyan CC tuba.

[leehipp]

Hi Ace,

Yes I have played on all of the Dalyan tubas and have even used the F and the CC at work, so in a manner of speaking you might say they are "pro" horns.

As for the CC you expressed interest in, it is a nice smallish 4/4 tuba that produces a good tone. The one (only one for now) that is here is a 4 valve but I believe the newer models will be coming in with 5 (don't hold me to that until I see them myself).

The main focus right now is developing the best BBb school horns possible at a very competative price, so don't hold your breath for the next breakthrough CC or F anytime soon.

I hope that answers your question.