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Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:21 am

We are thrilled to introduce the new Wessex TB690 ‘Kaiser’ BBb tuba. Based on the design of the classic B&F tuba but with enhancements to improve both response and intonation, while maintaining the amazing classic German tone of the B&F. This must be tried to be believed!

The prototype will be exhibited at Music Austria in October and then at the Midwest in the USA December.

We thank Daniel Ridder of the Musikorps der Bundeswehr (Symphonic Concertband of the German Army) for his help with the development. We are also pleased to welcome Daniel Ridder as a Wessex Artist.

Daniel Ridder with the new Wessex TB690 Kaiser
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With the B&F original sitting beside during back to back comparisons
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Mr.Qi (factory production manager), Chuck Nickles (Wessex Chief Engineer), Daniel Ridder and Jonathan Hodgetts (Wessex Tubas founder) celebrate the new Kaiser
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Ace » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:48 am

Wow! I want one. Congratulations, Jonathan et al.

Oh, wait------it's in BBb. Darn. I don't want to learn Bb bass clef fingerings.

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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:30 am

Ace wrote:Wow! I want one. Congratulations, Jonathan et al.

Oh, wait------it's in BBb. Darn. I don't want to learn Bb bass clef fingerings.

Ace


Did you pick up tuba as an adult, or where your childhood experiences in the school band atypical?

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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:32 am

I'm not that familiar with the B&F, but to me it has a strong cerveny 601 vibe
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Doc » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:39 am

Looking forward to trying it! Will it be at TMEA in San Antonio in February?
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:22 am

Doc wrote:Looking forward to trying it! Will it be at TMEA in San Antonio in February?

Yes it will be there!
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:01 am

Mark Finley wrote:I'm not that familiar with the B&F, but to me it has a strong cerveny 601 vibe

The B&F (Bohland und Fuchs) is as legendary a tuba in Germany as the Chicago York CC is in the USA. It is the classic German sound and the tuba to which all other Kaiser BBb are compared. It was made famous by Walter Hilgers who I believe discovered one used by Hitler’s Guard band in Berlin and got Meinl-Weston to make the 197 copy. However it’s big problem (both the original B&F and 197) was its difficult intonation. Now through analysis of the bugle taper Chuck Nickles and Daniel Ridder have identified the cause of the intonation problems - and the resulting tuba is the new Wessex TB690.

The Cerveny 601 may look similar, as I am sure it is based on the B&F design, but having previously owned one (actually the red brass version 701), I can say with knowledge that they sound very different. The B&F has a special sound which no other Kaiser that I have tried equals. I think it is somewhat down to bell profiles. For your interest below is picture showing the bell mandrel of the new TB690 Kaiser (right) beside the mandrel for the TC695 Chicago York. Surprisingly similar, but different.

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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby the elephant » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:14 am

Mark Finley wrote:I'm not that familiar with the B&F, but to me it has a strong cerveny 601 vibe


Yes.

I think I want one of these puppies.

Jonathan, the leadpipe is much shorter, but it looks like the valve section has been raised a bit to take this missing length up and add it to the main tuning slide (or at least part of that length seems to be in the MTS). Or am I going blind?

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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby the elephant » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:17 am

Wyvern wrote:Image


Those things must weigh in excess of 250 pounds each. And they must have cost a lot of money to make out of the proper grade of steel. WOW! :shock:
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:27 am

the elephant wrote:
Mark Finley wrote:I'm not that familiar with the B&F, but to me it has a strong cerveny 601 vibe


Yes.

I think I want one of these puppies.

Jonathan, the leadpipe is much shorter, but it looks like the valve section has been raised a bit to take this missing length up and add it to the main tuning slide (or at least part of that length seems to be in the MTS). Or am I going blind?

Nice work!


Very perceptive Wade! Yes we have shortened the leadpipe to improve response and to give a more useful length main tuning slide. However the valves were not moved. Another change not obvious from the front view is we have moved the 3rd and 4th tuning slides to the back to make for easy adjustment while playing.
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby the elephant » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:31 am

Wyvern wrote:
the elephant wrote:
Mark Finley wrote:I'm not that familiar with the B&F, but to me it has a strong cerveny 601 vibe


Yes.

I think I want one of these puppies.

Jonathan, the leadpipe is much shorter, but it looks like the valve section has been raised a bit to take this missing length up and add it to the main tuning slide (or at least part of that length seems to be in the MTS). Or am I going blind?

Nice work!


Very perceptive Wade! Yes we have shortened the leadpipe to improve response and to give a more useful length main tuning slide. However the valves were not moved. Another change not obvious from the front view is we have moved the 3rd and 4th tuning slides to the back to make for easy adjustment while playing.


Thanks. I noted that the MTS is longer, so I assumed you simply kept it where it was and moved everything up a smidge. The horn looks great. I would love to test one in my orchestra. Do you have a price point figured out for this one yet?
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Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:32 am

the elephant wrote:Those things must weigh in excess of 250 pounds each. And they must have cost a lot of money to make out of the proper grade of steel. WOW! :shock:

A fork lift is required to move them around. I tried and could not move one. Even in China they cost tens of thousands $$$$$ to make!
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:36 am

the elephant wrote:Do you have a price point figured out for this one yet?

We are hoping to sell for about $9,500.

We are also considering offering the tuba fitted with original German made valves for an extra cost (I know some people don’t trust Chinese made valves)
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby the elephant » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:39 am

The valve option will be a boon to those looking for that. It may boost sales of this, too. You never know.
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Mark » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:59 am

Will there be a fifth valve?
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby hrender » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:04 pm

That is very, very cool.
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Postby Three Valves » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:18 pm

Flip flops on the factory floor??
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Wyvern » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:09 pm

Mark wrote:Will there be a fifth valve?

That will hopefully be an option. When we have multiple Kaiser available, then will experiment adding 5th valve and check if it has any adverse effect on the response.

But general consensious seems to be that a 5th valve is not essential on a BBb.
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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby Ace » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:17 pm

Mark Finley wrote:I'm not that familiar with the B&F, but to me it has a strong cerveny 601 vibe


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Re: A Kaiser is born!

Postby tubaport » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:25 pm

Jonathan, you guys need to stop creating so many great new models! You’re going to make us all broke :-)
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