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Paul M wrote:I practice in a large room if a can. Does anyone else have the problem in small rooms of getting tired quickly? I swear when I was at school and had to use a practice room, my lip couldn't take more than a half hour, and it just felt so stale and raw. My accuracy seemed to be down the tubes too.

Now if I was in a large room, I could play for hours with no problem.
What I've noticed in small rooms is that they favor certain harmonics & resonances MUCH more than others, and those harmonics are almost always not in tune with any regular notes. And, as usual, strong resonances are accompanied by strong anti-resonances, and those frequencies dampen anything you'll send out the bell.

My guess: Because the tuba's wavelengths are so long, its sound doesn't just bounce around the room -- it just builds acoustic "pressure", and the room severely interacts with the playing itself.

Because you want to play with the most resonant sound, you're going to be fighting the room-induced intonation problems, and you'll also be fighting the pitches that are severely dampened because they don't fit with the room at all. That's why your chops will get tired more quickly.

I hated our practice rooms because of this. I used to come back after dinner and go into our band room, where its domed ceiling would still give me feedback on articulations.
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tubaboy wrote:i think its time that someone pointed out that you spelled practice wrong in the topic :-P
I wonder who will do that, and when they will do it....
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I always thought 'practise' was a verb...like 'The band will practise today.' and 'practice' was like a noun(?)..like 'There's band practice today.' No?
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tubaaron wrote:I always thought 'practise' was a verb...like 'The band will practise today.' and 'practice' was like a noun(?)..like 'There's band practice today.' No?
In the title of this thread, the word is used as an adjective--can anyone find a legitimate source sanctioning this usage?

It seems that the adjective is formed from the noun; thus "practice room"; if it were formed from the verb, then it would be "practising room", derived from the participle.

How's that?
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Chuck(G) wrote:
tubaaron wrote:I always thought 'practise' was a verb...like 'The band will practise today.' and 'practice' was like a noun(?)..like 'There's band practice today.' No?
In the title of this thread, the word is used as an adjective--can anyone find a legitimate source sanctioning this usage?

It seems that the adjective is formed from the noun; thus "practice room"; if it were formed from the verb, then it would be "practising room", derived from the participle.

How's that?
Only indirectly. WordNet dictionary does not list "Practice Room", nor does it list an adjective definition of "wash", but it does containa listing for "wash room":
  • wash room
    n : a toilet that is available to the public
WordNet also includes listings, similarly, for "dining room", "chat room" and "war room".

So why would the dictionary then NOT include "practice room"? Perhaps because it's reasonable that the dictionary might list "wash room" (a facility used by everyone) but omit "practice room" (a facility, based upon my high school band years, used by VERY few indeed).

As to whether it should be "practice room" or "practicing room", the example above show that there is no clear rule. "Chat room" and "war room" use either the noun or the present tense, while "dining room" uses the participle form.
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Chuck(G) wrote:In the title of this thread, the word is used as an adjective--can anyone find a legitimate source sanctioning this usage?
Just for giggles in situations like these, I'll google both to find the most common useage:

"practice room" = 83,100 hits
"practise room" = 783 hits

After all, common useage is the yardstick of a living language!
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... and for Chuck(G)'s benefit:
  • practicing room - 491 hits
    practising room - 242 hits
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Joe, you misunderstand my posting. By "sanctioning", I meant that did any authoritative source give the spelling (verb or noun) form to be used as an adjective.

I continued on to say that one must assume that the adjective is formed from the noun, thus "practice room", not "practise room" (as the title of this thread has it). Were the verb to be used as a modifier, it would have to be as a participle "practising room".

I did not say that use of practice/practise as an adjective was deprecated, just one had to proceed from the most logical conclusion, barring any evidence to the contrary.

"steam room" vs. "steaming room"; one noun-derived adjective, the other verb-derived.
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Joe Baker wrote:... and for Chuck(G)'s benefit:
  • practicing room - 491 hits
    practising room - 242 hits
Understand Joe, that US usage uses "practice" for both the noun and verb. However, generally accepted UK usage does not. So I don't see what I'm to take away from your "hit count'.
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Chuck(G) wrote:
Joe Baker wrote:... and for Chuck(G)'s benefit:
  • practicing room - 491 hits
    practising room - 242 hits
Understand Joe, that US usage uses "practice" for both the noun and verb. However, generally accepted UK usage does not. So I don't see what I'm to take away from your "hit count'.
Methinks thou thinkest I argue with thee, forsooth. I prithee, take not the words of thy humble servant as contention; nay, they seek merely to shed needed light to aid thee in the furtherance of thy query. Knowest thou not that English hearkens to its own use? Verily, has it not become the common practice (forgive, if you will, the unintentional pun of a worthless blackguard) among the troubadours to call that chamber in which they sharpen their craft a "practice room", and thus to spell it? Have no part, then, with those whose attachment to outdated wiles and disproved wisdom would dictate use of the rejected "practicing room", nor certainly with those, however noble in their own minds, who spell the word "practise".

For in matters of truth and wisdom, verily the best is seldom found in the greatest company; but the language with which thou commune with thy fellow man must be above all clear in its meaning and purpose, seeking the sanction only of him who would hearken to thee. Would it not be wise, then, to seek that use which is most common among thy fellowman? If thou agree, prithee knowest thou a better means than "googling" to learn what is most common?
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Criminy... now we're in grammar school again...

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Ignoring the spelling police, where's Rick Denney with the "answer" from an acoustical engineering perspective?
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Ideally we like to practice and perform in a place where we can hear our own sound the best because it's inspiring. Rarely does a room give us the ideal.I practice guitar at full amplification so every nuance comes through
and I can change or modify small details.
I learned to sing on a microphone and learned to improve on the sound that was coming out of the speakers. Performing vocals acoustically was a mind blow but now I prefer it. I still like to practice over my P.A..
I practice tuba acoustically in a small room.After going over technical basics for several minutes,I turn on my tape of John Reno playing guitar and singing our new C.D. material and drill my bass lines and solos until
I have planned out and drilled to perfection,every note in each piece.
Big fun!
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Joe Baker wrote: Methinks thou thinkest I argue with thee, forsooth.
I'm cool with that. :)

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Chuck, please don't forget that this is a TUBA & EUPHONIUM forum. This is not about T-bones.
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TubaRay wrote:Chuck, please don't forget that this is a TUBA & EUPHONIUM forum. This is not about T-bones.
That's actually a porterhouse, Ray! The best of two great steaks--the T-bone and the tenderloin.
porterhouse: "restaurant or chophouse where porter is served," c.1758, from porter (3). Porterhouse steak (1841) is said to be from a particular establishment in New York City.
Wonder if a porterhouse would make a good practisce room?
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