Popular music in mixed meters.

lprince · Post by **lprince** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:04 pm

tool, dave matthews (that sattelite tune), pink floyd (money has some 7)

not so popular but rush and dream theater and all those cool guy prog rock bands

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:59 am

There's the closing credits music to the Incredibles, too -- called the Incredits (can't say whether it's "popular" or not, though). Goes between 5 and 7 with some other stuff in there.

pulseczar · Post by **pulseczar** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:12 am

mixed meters? I don't quote understand what you mean, but if you listen to Dream Theater, they use alot of odd meters in their music as well as changing meters. Listen to Home or Erotomania.

Dylan King · Post by **Dylan King** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:38 am

ZAPPA

tubiker · Post by **tubiker** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:57 am

Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill
Dave Brubeck - Take 5
New Order - True Faith
Clannad - The Golden Ball

I fully sympathise with your search for mixed metre which is accessable to children - the big problem is that (most) pop/rock stuff is for dance, it needs to be in regular even patterns to avoid falling over

- well you try having a bop around the floor in 5/4 or where you have a regular 4 bar pattern and then every now and again an extra bar is popped in.

Andrew Murray

kegmcnabb · Post by **kegmcnabb** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:37 am

Jethro Tull - Living in the Past is in 5/4 and has the advantage of featuring a non-traditional intrument in pop (even if it is a flute).

Plus, I second MSM's recommendation of Zappa.

CrappyEuph · Post by **CrappyEuph** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:37 pm

There is a Stereolab cover of a Manic Street Preachers song called "Tsunami" that is in 11/8.

There's a pretty popular song called "I Love Rock and Roll" that lots of bands play, and at the end of the chorus there's a bar of three. It is amusing to hear a whole crowd of people clapping enthusiastically on 2 and 4 and then suddenly hesitate when they realize they've been tricked into clapping on 1 and 3.

Edit: Radiohead's Paranoid Android features an interlude in 7/4 (or changing meter between 4 and 3) - that's a pretty widely known song.

- Jamie

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:23 pm

MellowSmokeMan wrote:ZAPPA

'Specially the bridge in Catholic Girls.

The Meridian Arts Ensemble closed with their rendition of Black Page in their concert in my college town (way out in the middle of Nebraska), and they had the audience clap on beat 4 of every other measure. Funny as hell, because they gave big "clap here!" cues each time to guide the audience along.

Charlie Goodman · Post by **Charlie Goodman** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:31 pm

If anybody listens to screamo/hardcore, sometimes the breakdowns can get into some weird meters.

"Money" by Pink Floyd is in 7/4.

Scott Sutherland · Post by **Scott Sutherland** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:51 pm

There's a tune by Sting that is in 5, but I can't remember the title off the top of my head. Did a double take at the concert when he started playing!

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:02 am

Scott Sutherland wrote:There's a tune by Sting that is in 5, but I can't remember the title off the top of my head. Did a double take at the concert when he started playing!

"Seven Days" is in 5 -- goes through the days of the week. Was it that one?

There's also "Love Is Stronger Than Justice" off the same album, which is largely in 7.

Jonathan Fowler · Post by **Jonathan Fowler** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:30 am

"Morning Bell" by Radiohead is in mixed meter-sounds like 5/4 or 10/8 but is organized as 6/8 2/4

finnbogi · Post by **finnbogi** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:17 am

I'm not sure whether it still counts as popular, but Mary Magdalene's song from Jesus Christ Superstar is in 5/8. I can't remember the name right now.

kegmcnabb · Post by **kegmcnabb** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:44 am

finnbogi wrote:I'm not sure whether it still counts as popular, but Mary Magdalene's song from Jesus Christ Superstar is in 5/8. I can't remember the name right now.

"Everything's Alright"

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:29 am

How could I forget -- anything on the "Live At Monterey!" album by the Don Ellis band. The neat song titles were "33 222 1 222" and "27/16".

Certainly not popular, but they really groove.

dtemp · Post by **dtemp** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:29 pm

Check out the Brian Wilson Smile album.

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:53 pm

Leland wrote:How could I forget -- anything on the "Live At Monterey!" album by the Don Ellis band. The neat song titles were "33 222 1 222" and "27/16".

Certainly not popular, but they really groove.

After his death, Don Ellis' parents donated his music, instruments, Grammy award, etc. to Eastfield College. I was a student there at the time, playing lead trombone in the jazz band. We played a bunch of his mixed meter stuff in a dedication concert. I remember one in particular called "Final Analysis" (we called it "Spinal Paralysis"

) that was in 27/16 -- that's sixteenth-note patterns of 4-3-4-3-4-3-3-3 in EACH bar, at 1/4=180. I had never needed to do double- OR triple-tonguing before that concert (one of my few really strong skills: VERY fast single-tonguing), so I had about a month to become a multi-tonguing stud. Ellis was "out there", but -- unlike a lot of guys who are "out there" -- he was "out there" in an overall very musical, accessible direction. Ellis died as his career was still on the rise. I wonder if his work would have had more impact on popular music if he'd lived longer.
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Joe Baker, who needs to transfer his "Ellis -- Live at Monterey" cassette to CD.

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:04 pm

Glad someone mentioned Don Ellis! I was also thinking of Hank Levy, who wrote predominantly odd-metered charts.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:02 pm

Transatlanticism (see review)

tubatooter1940 · Post by **tubatooter1940** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:05 pm

Many guitarists have played alone for too long and develop bad habits that result in mixed meters. Muddy Waters?

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