Oystein Baadsvik

Quicksilvertuba · Post by **Quicksilvertuba** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:17 am

the only place I know of is his website www.baadsvik.com. There you can find Monti Czardas and a lot of other cool stuff. most of the clips are full length.

Dean E · Post by **Dean E** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:11 pm

Tubist wrote:Hi... do you know any websides where I can get a Oystein's records as a freewere??? or maybe some video records from concerts...

He was at last year's Army Tuba Euphonium Conference. One of his numbers was Vivaldi's Winter. Yes, that's right.

http://www.usarmyband.com/Broadcast/2005/01/

http://www.usarmyband.com/Broadcast/200 ... _2005.html

The site requires Quicktime, which will offer to install its services via popup windows or links if your machine does not have it.

brianf · Post by **brianf** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:26 pm

Hi... do you know any websides where I can get a Oystein's records as a freewere???

Let's see . . . it costs money to record a CD, produce it, promote it, ship it and all that good stuff. Then there is time, maybe all those involved, the producer, musicians and yes Oysteen should make a buck for their efforts.

Who will pay for all of this if everyone gets it as freeware? Would you come out with a CD if you lost money? I wouldn't and I'm sure you would not. Why should Oysteen? Why would he want to do more recordings? It doesn't work that way!

Dean E · Post by **Dean E** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:38 pm

tekknofieber wrote:
Dean E wrote:
Tubist wrote:Hi... do you know any websides where I can get a Oystein's records as a freewere??? or maybe some video records from concerts...
He was at last year's Army Tuba Euphonium Conference. One of his numbers was Vivaldi's Winter. Yes, that's right.

http://www.usarmyband.com/Broadcast/2005/01/

http://www.usarmyband.com/Broadcast/200 ... _2005.html

The site requires Quicktime, which will offer to install its services via popup windows or links if your machine does not have it.
thanks for the link, that winter was a-mazing
the more I listen, the more I'm compelled to buy his cd

After the CD, the next thing to buy is an Eb horn, mouthpieces, etc!

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:32 pm

Dean E wrote: After the CD, the next thing to buy is an Eb horn, mouthpieces, etc!

If I bought all of the Eb tubas there are in the world today, I will never be able to perform the Vivaldi the way Oystein did. I was there and heard him play it live and I still don't believe it. It was totally awesome! And I don't use the word awesome in every sentence, either.

brianf · Post by **brianf** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:00 pm

I must say you are a very nervy guy...

Nervy??

I have a couple dozen people (including myself) that put up our own money to produce a product then we get someone out there who puts a post on a BBS looking for their work for free. Yes, there is a problem here!

I work the trenches and hear all the stories - "The recording companies are ripping us off," "You buy this and I'll burn a copy," "I have this music (when it is out of order from copying it)," "Why should I buy it when I should get it for free." I've heard these lines and can go on and on. To put something out, someone has to put up money upfront. The name of the game is to sell enough to at least break even so you don't lose money. After that a profit would be nice to help fund the next project. If you lose money on the first project there will be no continuing projects. We all lose!

Nervy, yep - look at the guy in the mirror and ask that. I have no problem with that.

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:30 pm

From what I've been reading I don't think that "Tubist" ever implied that he wanted free bootlegged music, he wanted what is called FREEWARE. The definition of freeware is software (in this case, recordings) that the AUTHOR ALLOWS to be distributed for FREE!

Check this out: http://www.truenorthbrass.com/listen.php

Professional brass quintet makes available free listenings of some of their tracks from their CD's. The point of this is to allow the listener to have a sample, so they will be motivated to then purchase the CD, to hear the rest of the tracks.

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with this! Sure, the AUTHOR may lose out on some potential sales if people just listen to the freeware instead of purchasing the CD... but then they have some people who purchase the CD due to the freeware made available. This is the choice of the AUTHOR and we should not tell those who take advantage of the AUTHOR's choice that they are "in the wrong."

THE TUBA · Post by **THE TUBA** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:50 pm

chiltern wrote:
knuxie wrote: gangsta rappers
Cool Ken, are you composing a new gangsta rap for the euph?

It's about time!!!

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I bust a cap in yo' head,
hear my C- now 'ur dead

'yo momma plays like Frey
you don't like it 'cause 'ur gay
I can't go to the store
when I'm practicing away

Do ya' like my bling,
it's a Besson thing

Hear my Blue Bells of Scotland
I'm playin' like a hotland

...

Charlie Goodman · Post by **Charlie Goodman** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:21 pm

THE TUBA wrote:
chiltern wrote:
knuxie wrote: gangsta rappers
Cool Ken, are you composing a new gangsta rap for the euph?
It's about time!!!

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I bust a cap in yo' head,
hear my C- now 'ur dead

'yo momma plays like Frey
you don't like it 'cause 'ur gay
I can't go to the store
when I'm practicing away

Do ya' like my bling,
it's a Besson thing

Hear my Blue Bells of Scotland
I'm playin' like a hotland

...

....please... .

..no more....

*wheeze*

ArnoldGottlieb · Post by **ArnoldGottlieb** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:52 pm

Why is there even a debate about stealing music? Gangsta rapper's and tuba player's all have a right to sell their product at whatever price they decide. Xeroxed music is stolen music, burning a CD for a friend is stealing. It's not my concern what gangsta rappers make, if I want the CD I'll buy it in some form or other, not decide what their product is worth. Same with a tuba CD. And no, I don't see the difference because there is no difference. Flame away thief's!!!
Peace. Arnold S. Gottlieb (another nervy guy trying to sell CD's)

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:18 pm

ArnoldGottlieb wrote:Why is there even a debate about stealing music? Gangsta rapper's and tuba player's all have a right to sell their product at whatever price they decide. Xeroxed music is stolen music, burning a CD for a friend is stealing. It's not my concern what gangsta rappers make, if I want the CD I'll buy it in some form or other, not decide what their product is worth. Same with a tuba CD. And no, I don't see the difference because there is no difference. Flame away thief's!!!
Peace. Arnold S. Gottlieb (another nervy guy trying to sell CD's)

I don't think there's really a debate about stealing music. Someone asked if there were any sites where he could download freeware (music made available for free by the author, NOT stealing and NOT illegal).

I don't think anyone meant to say that it is ok to steal a rap product and bad to steal a tuba product, or vise versa. I think all anyone may have hinted at that it is a lesser evil to steel a rap product because they're already filthy rich. Nobody was justifying stealing rap music.

kegmcnabb · Post by **kegmcnabb** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:33 pm

I agree. I don't believe Tubist was ever asking to steal anything...just where he might find legitimately available clips.

Tubist,
Glad you found the clips you were looking for. Welcome to TubeNet.

ArnoldGottlieb · Post by **ArnoldGottlieb** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:01 pm

Lesser evil because_____(fill in the blanks). My point exactly.
I'm aware of free downloads, they're on sites that I'm on. It's semantics as to what the original poster was looking for, however I stand by my comments and look forward to your's.
Peace. Arnold S. Gottlieb

brianf · Post by **brianf** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:10 pm

Our friend from Poland has a history here. At viewtopic.php?p=90381&highlight=#90381

he says:

I'm playing on tuba 4th years now i am playing KONZERT FUR TUBA UND KLAVIER A. Lebiediev do you assciete this piece???? I need a record from this piece because I must listen to pattern ,professional perform so I be grateful if someone send tih record on my e-mail /mateusz.tubist@gmail.com/ thanks

Then he says in this thread:

I could not be happy when I spend my money for record my CD and other people will download for free this CD but I could give a few free tracks for example or some kind of promotion...I don't want whol CD....this isn't a crime

Maybe he's getting a lesson on the "sharing" issue. In his first message (which I did remember), he wanted someone to send the record. Then he wants some free cuts - not a crime??? Then there are the samples - something totally different, not shareware but copyrighted material where there is maybe a minute or so samples of a CD cut - I have a ton of them on my site. Permission was granted to put a sample out but the copyright is maintained - it is NOT freeware but a commercial sample.

There were two sides of the old Napster and the free music situation. Yes, there are artists who put their stuff out for free to promote themselves. This would be like a student here putting out a recording of their senior recital. God Bless them!! That is freeware.

The other side are professionals who have CDs and some (like Oystein) are under contract to a recording company. Looking for a recording of them is only asking for one thing - a free copyrighted copy. Yes, the Army Band has a performance and masterclass by him still on their website. Last year I did a lecture there but was wisely advised to insist that it would only be broadcast live and not retained. Holding web broadcasts creates another problem, why would someone want you to do a lecture that is already online?

One thing I have on my website is over an hour long video sampler of Arnold Jacobs. It is a commercial sample, I retain the copyright and rights to it. While I invite all you to look at it for free, it is not freeware.

There is a difference between freeware, commercial samples and copyrighted material.

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:19 pm

ArnoldGottlieb wrote:Lesser evil because_____(fill in the blanks). My point exactly.

quinterbourne wrote:I think all anyone may have hinted at that it is a lesser evil to steel a rap product because they're already filthy rich. Nobody was justifying stealing rap music.

I never said it was ok to steal a rap product! I never even said that I think it's a lesser evil, although I do! I think that it is a lesser evil to steal a loaf of break from a millionare - compared to stealing the last loaf of break from a family in poverty - which would be a greater evil.

ArnoldGottlieb wrote:It's semantics as to what the original poster was looking for

It is very clear what the original poster was looking for! He specificially asked for freeware (which he mispelled as freewere) which is NOT stealing and is NOT illegal).

TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR:

I DO NOT THINK IT IS OK TO STEAL RAP MUSIC - I NEVER SAID THAT!!!

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:04 pm

I DO NOT THINK IT IS OK TO STEAL RAP MUSIC - I NEVER SAID THAT!!!

Yeah, but you said RAP MUSIC which is even worse
FOR SHAME!!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:43 pm

SplatterTone wrote:
I DO NOT THINK IT IS OK TO STEAL RAP MUSIC - I NEVER SAID THAT!!!
Yeah, but you said RAP MUSIC which is even worse
FOR SHAME!!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......

CCCCRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!

ArnoldGottlieb · Post by **ArnoldGottlieb** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:49 am

I was well aware of this posters earlier request for free music, on which I don't remember commenting (although it's certainly possible), and therefore felt the need to say something here. Like many of you, I go to work 6 days a week. I'm incredibly lucky that those 6 days involve playing the bass or tuba or both. However it is still work, and one of the things I've done with my money is to invest in instruments, a hard disc recorder, and a lot of travel expenses in hopes of one day making it back. When people want to burn my CD I have to explain why that's not cool, and usually after a while they understand, but explaining it to other musicians just sucks. As artist's, we are unable to exist without support from the luxury budget of the general public. The public, being what they are, need us to educate them as to why they need to buy and not steal recordings, but when we ourselves are not paying, we are telling the public it's okay, and pretty much dooming anybody trying to make a recording in a niche market(exactly what tuba CD's are). The point about stealing bread is well taken, except that bread is needed for survival, and CD's are a luxury item. Stealing a millionaire's Caddy will get you the into the same jail as a musicians honda. I understand the concept of freeware, and for anybody interested in hearing my music I'll happily illustrate it here: When you go to my link on myspace you can hear a band I'm in, if you live in Germany you can occasionally hear it on the radio. Go to itunes or our website, http://ton-3.de/ and click kaufen and you can buy it. Record it without buying it, you've stolen it, and I can't afford to make more.
Whatever you choose, I wish you Peace. ASG

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:35 am

ArnoldGottlieb wrote:I was well aware of this posters earlier request for free music

Well, I wasn't. All I read were his posts in this thread, all of which did not indicate that he wanted or was requesting illegal bootlegged music. His first post said that he wanted "freeware" which is by no means illegal (even though there is some debate as to what is and what is not considered freeware when it comes to musical recordings - regardless "freeware" is legal). Just because he may have requested something illegal in a previous thread does not necessarily mean that he is doing it here (since he specifically asked for something legal). Keep in mind his English is not very good...

His other post, in this thread, all he was saying that he would be mad if someone downloaded his CD, that he produced, for free. He then said that he would be willing to make a few tracks available for free as a promotion. There's no problem here.

ArnoldGottlieb wrote:Like many of you, I go to work 6 days a week. I'm incredibly lucky that those 6 days involve playing the bass or tuba or both. However it is still work, and one of the things I've done with my money is to invest in instruments, a hard disc recorder, and a lot of travel expenses in hopes of one day making it back. When people want to burn my CD I have to explain why that's not cool, and usually after a while they understand, but explaining it to other musicians just sucks. As artist's, we are unable to exist without support from the luxury budget of the general public. The public, being what they are, need us to educate them as to why they need to buy and not steal recordings, but when we ourselves are not paying, we are telling the public it's okay, and pretty much dooming anybody trying to make a recording in a niche market(exactly what tuba CD's are) .... I understand the concept of freeware, and for anybody interested in hearing my music I'll happily illustrate it here: When you go to my link on myspace you can hear a band I'm in, if you live in Germany you can occasionally hear it on the radio. Go to itunes or our website, http://ton-3.de/ and click kaufen and you can buy it. Record it without buying it, you've stolen it, and I can't afford to make more.

I have by no means, anywhere in this thread or on this forum, suggested that it is an acceptable practice to burn, record without permission or download bootlegged copies of music. ALSO, In this thread, nobody has said that it is ok to do so or requested help in doing so. All that has been asked is to find a website with freeware - a place were one could go to access musical recordings legally. I don't see what the problem is!

ArnoldGottlieb wrote:The point about stealing bread is well taken, except that bread is needed for survival, and CD's are a luxury item. Stealing a millionaire's Caddy will get you the into the same jail as a musicians honda.

Same jail perhaps, but possibly different sentences, since sentences are subjective and are partially based on the context of the crime and the manner in which the crime affects the victim(s).

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:56 am

tubist wrote:I could not be happy when I spend my money for record my CD and other people will download for free this CD but I could give a few free tracks for example or some kind of promotion...I don't want whol CD....this isn't a crime

I don't see what's wrong with that post...

brianf wrote:Maybe he's getting a lesson on the "sharing" issue. In his first message (which I did remember), he wanted someone to send the record.

I think he has already learned his lesson, since he is asking for freeware, something that is legal!

brianf wrote:Then he wants some free cuts - not a crime??? Then there are the samples - something totally different, not shareware but copyrighted material where there is maybe a minute or so samples of a CD cut - I have a ton of them on my site. Permission was granted to put a sample out but the copyright is maintained - it is NOT freeware but a commercial sample.

He didn't want free cuts, he was asking for something that he referred to as freeware - something that is legal, at least that's what his intentions were. I think you may be splitting hairs here. He mentioned that the artist's website is the kind of thing that he was looking for. I believe that what you refer to as "commercial samples" is what the original poster intended to request when he asked for freeware.

brianf wrote:The other side are professionals who have CDs and some (like Oystein) are under contract to a recording company. Looking for a recording of them is only asking for one thing - a free copyrighted copy.

"Looking for a recording" does not imply that a person is looking for an illegal copy of something. All it may mean is that they are looking for a (CD) recording or a "commercial sampling" or whatever. Asking someone to email you the file, posting it without the artist's permission or burning it is illegal. Simply "looking for a recording" is not illegal...

brianf wrote:There is a difference between freeware, commercial samples and copyrighted material.

My argument is that the original poster did not request something illegal. What he requested was "freeware" which I think he refers to as the "commercial samples."

What he wanted was to listen to some free and legal music. Nothing more, nothing less. I still don't see where the PROBLEM is. Please enlighten me!

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