Cerveny euphs...

[imperialbari]

There is nothing stuffy to the lowest register of a YEP-641, as soon as you have mounted a main tuning slide trigger.

Klaus

[jacobg]

I think all the German brass companies make rotary baritones.
Here's the K+H:
http://www.khbrass.com/KHmain/page18/baritones.html

I've also seen St. Petersburg rotary baritones, as well as many other Eastern European varieties.

In Serbia, if you've got a Cerveny, you're in pretty good shape. Boban Markovic's band uses mainly Cerveny's (tenorhorns I think).

I personally can't think of a single reason I would personally want a rotary horn - pistons are so versatile.

Unless you're playing Balkan/German brass band music.

[MaryAnn]

I have a MW 49 4-valve rotary bariton. If you are needing a larger instrument this is not for you....it looks just like a tiny version of the MW 182 F tuba (they are so cute together in pictures, like father-son) and is stuffy in exactly the same way in the low range as the F tuba is. It has a brighter sound than a typcial piston euph, too. So I doubt that is the direction you want to go. As in the F tuba, the stuffiness disappears when the embouchure relaxes. For some this never happens.

Lady in our band just bought a 3+1 Willson off ebay; she previously was a Yamaha lady. She had a hard time getting used to the Willson, almost gave up; she said the sound was so different she'd be on a different partial than she thought she was. Food for thought....however she loves it now.

MA

[jacobg]

it looks just like a tiny version of the MW 182 F tuba
MA

I assume it's an upright bell model. Is there such thing as an oval-shaped tuba?

Is there any historical reason for the oval shape? I know American civil war-era horns are over-the-shoulder so that marchers behind could stay in step, and recording bells are for, well, recording, but why oval and why sideways? To face the same direction as the helicon?

[Kevin Hendrick]

Hope this works properly:

[elimia]

There is nothing stuffy to the lowest register of a YEP-641, as soon as you have mounted a main tuning slide trigger.

Klaus

Klaus, I've been curious about those for this horn. Where does one locate one for the YEP-641?

[Dan Satterwhite]

Are the oval euphoniums that Tennessee Tech uses not Miraphone?

[elimia]

Are the oval euphoniums that Tennessee Tech uses not Miraphone?

Could be, but I thought they were Cervanys

[imperialbari]

There is nothing stuffy to the lowest register of a YEP-641, as soon as you have mounted a main tuning slide trigger.

Klaus

Klaus, I've been curious about those for this horn. Where does one locate one for the YEP-641?

A couple of hours ago I wrote a quite comprehensive reply to your very relevant question. Almost finishing the text, I would use a special sign requiring a chorded typing involving "q". I chorded wrongly and my Mac quit the browser.

I then searched for a posting on the topic, I was sure, I wrote some years ago. I didn’t find it, but spend a nice time reading old discussions.

Now I am not in the mood to repeat my quite detailed tech description. But my conclusion would be:

Don’t buy the German device, which I bought and had mounted by a repairman friend. It took too many adjustments (a matter I fortunately am strong at, even if I am not a repairman).

The Besson/B&H business is reported to be sailing dire straits.

If possible, I still would try to get the trigger system from the Besson Prestige as a spare part.

When/if your considerations about getting a such device for your 641 get real, I may have regained my mood for describing the technical details and pitfalls. Please ask again then!

Klaus

[prototypedenNIS]

My Favourite products thatAmati/Cerveny produced are 2 desk ornaments.

A Small curved horn, mounted on hard wood that fits a trumpet mouthpiece and a small gong with a tiny little beater.



You're FIRED... GONG!

"but... but"

THE GONG HAS SPOKEN!

[Kevin Hendrick]

You're FIRED... GONG!

"but... but"

THE GONG HAS SPOKEN!

Gong, but not forgotten?

[imperialbari]

I assume it's an upright bell model. Is there such thing as an oval-shaped tuba?

MW call their straight bell Bariton an export model.

Making tuba bells is hard enough anyway whether you use the German style of one piece cutting of the sheet metal or the British style of applying gussets. Working on an "oval" mandrel, which hardly can be put on a lathe, would be tough.

Of course the US style sousaphones and bell front tubas display some of the same technical problems, but the bells almost all are detachable and have a reinforced assembly between the flare and the "knee". Call it an outside tone ring, if you want to. It is not a traditional ferrule. (By the way I am most impressed of the craftsmanship laid down in my pre-1930 Conn sousaphones).

Is there any historical reason for the oval shape? I know American civil war-era horns are over-the-shoulder so that marchers behind could stay in step, and recording bells are for, well, recording, but why oval and why sideways? To face the same direction as the helicon?

As I read European brass instruments’ history, the original Cerveny was the person behind the designs of the rotary valve instruments, as we see them today (except for the horn, where Kruspe and Knopf/Geyer are the main trend setters).

The oval alto, tenor, and baritone instruments allow for a better view with both eyes. But if I dig down into my sense for German culture, and I am grown up in Germany, even if I am a thoroughbred Dane, then one factor comes up: tradition!

And then these instruments generally are made in quite thin gauge metal, which makes the workload easier.

But still I think the code word is: Tradition!

And then there may be a musical aspect also. Where CW-era US instruments were intended to be heard by the columns of marching soldiers, then the European marching tradition, (into which I was trained) in a way was more "orchestral". It was paramount, that the band members could hear each other. Rotary tubas always were on the right wing of each row. Top valved piston tubas on the left wing.

I have recently been into correspondence with Hans Pizka (for decades lead horn in the Bavarian State opera, where Bob Tucci is one of the 2 tuba players). HP is Austrian by birth and has an enormous network of brass ressources to draw upon. Along our discussions about Wagner tubas it surfaced, that the Austrian army also uses left handed oval Bb Tenorhörner (plural of Tenorhorn), which only can be a matter of the "play for the band" idea, so that they could march on the left wing of their rows.

I only have heard a modern Austrian military band once in a short TV feature. I didn’t notice the left handed Tenorhörner, but the playing was top notch within its own style.

Then I have a tape of an Austrian old style high pitch re-enactment band playing marches. They name themselves something to the effect of German and World Champions. Listening to them drives me crazy. They play marches in a very rubato style. That is not, what i like to hear. Rubato is OK, but not in marches and dances.

Klaus (getting too long once more, but that is how it is with the elderly)

[prototypedenNIS]

I posted photos of afformentioned gong and horn