Eb Miraphone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt1TzaUQ2aA" target="_blank" target="_blank
BBb Holton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFRTTb-OqQs" target="_blank" target="_blank
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Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
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Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
MISERICORDE, n.
A dagger which in mediaeval warfare was used by the foot soldier to remind an unhorsed knight that he was mortal.
- Devil's Dictionary - Ambrose Bierce
A dagger which in mediaeval warfare was used by the foot soldier to remind an unhorsed knight that he was mortal.
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
Both. Or neither. The Eb needed a little more "heft," but the large BBb needed a little quicker response.
But I'm being incredibly picky here. Bottom line: they both sounded great.
Just another reason why a King BBb souzy is a popular instrument for this genre, style and venue.
But I'm being incredibly picky here. Bottom line: they both sounded great.
Just another reason why a King BBb souzy is a popular instrument for this genre, style and venue.
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
Bell fronts help somewhat in street gigs. However, I have used Eb and BBb helicons, Sousaphones, bell fronts and bell up tubas (mostly front action valves) on hundreds of outdoor gigs. It really depends on how well the horn can bark (a bit) - even my little Yamaha 103 upright has a full sound that is great on the street in some circumstances (plus it is very light!)
I have used a very old Disten 3 valve Eb upright a few times - the voice is just not full enough for most group applications. I had a Conn BBb 1930s bell front four valve - not quite a monster, but it was very big and heavy. Too awkward for playing standing up, but it had a great sound.
BTW, you might have a conversation with your Tamborine player about where the beat is!
I have used a very old Disten 3 valve Eb upright a few times - the voice is just not full enough for most group applications. I had a Conn BBb 1930s bell front four valve - not quite a monster, but it was very big and heavy. Too awkward for playing standing up, but it had a great sound.
BTW, you might have a conversation with your Tamborine player about where the beat is!
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
Completely agree about the Kings. I have an old 2341 (recording bell) and a 1258 (with both bells) and they are both the perfect mix of "heft" and nimbleness IMO.iiipopes wrote:Both. Or neither. The Eb needed a little more "heft," but the large BBb needed a little quicker response.
But I'm being incredibly picky here. Bottom line: they both sounded great.
Just another reason why a King BBb souzy is a popular instrument for this genre, style and venue.
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
If you decide to play one horn, you will discover how to get what
you need to hear out of that horn
here's another of your BBb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... PD7cfaTfIg
I kinda prefer 'merican tubas for trad jazz
Joe
Tuba in Nashville
you need to hear out of that horn
here's another of your BBb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... PD7cfaTfIg
I kinda prefer 'merican tubas for trad jazz
Joe
Tuba in Nashville
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
Tuba is not a shy instrument, especially in a street band. To me the debate isn't about Eb versus BBb, it is about showmanship. A helicon or sousa shows and projects better. All the player/horns sound good here. A helicon or sousa in their hands would add to the flash of the band.
Brian
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1892 Courtiere (J.W. Pepper Import) Helicon Eb
1980's Yamaha 321 euphonium
2007 Miraphone 383 Starlight
2010 Kanstul 66T
2016 Bubbie Mark 5
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
What about your Kanstul 66S? I think that could do the job.
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
My Kanstul can do very well in most situations, but when outside without a band shell or similar sound director, I would likely choose the helicon instead. Not only can it handle a 30 piece band but it attracts more attention. People really like to see it played, are curious about it, or just smile. It adds to the fun.
Brian
1892 Courtiere (J.W. Pepper Import) Helicon Eb
1980's Yamaha 321 euphonium
2007 Miraphone 383 Starlight
2010 Kanstul 66T
2016 Bubbie Mark 5
1892 Courtiere (J.W. Pepper Import) Helicon Eb
1980's Yamaha 321 euphonium
2007 Miraphone 383 Starlight
2010 Kanstul 66T
2016 Bubbie Mark 5
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Re: Which does not belong: Eb or BBb on the street
BBb on the street.


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