How good are the chinese horns??

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:15 am

TUBAD83 wrote:I will only say this:

Nicht jeder kann jene großen teuren europäischen Tuben sich leisten

JJ

Of course not, but here the EXISTING alternative is a US made tuba, which has been paid for.

Klaus

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:11 am

What did JJ say????......................................bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:06 am

Thank You all again for you kind and insightful comments Like I said I'm keeping my old friend of 21 years how could I have even thought of giving my buddy up!!I'm going to save my extra money and sell my King Sousaphone try to sell /trade some artwork and keep looking untill I find the Ideal 4/4 (I'll be talking to you guys again...) I'm not doing this because I think the M&M is a bad horn but because it was pointed out that I might regret trading my old buddy in and after thinking about it I agree... Thank You all ..bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:26 am

While we are at brainwashing you:

If your King sousaphone is in decent shape, then it is no bad BBb bass at all. If the top bow of the 1st valve loop is a pullable slide, then you have just about all of the range and intonation options needed in community and church ensemble playing.

Klaus

(JJ: Not everybody can afford these big European tubas,)

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:15 am

Yes my sousaphone is a 1945 silver three valve and all the slides work.. but since I got my 3J I have played it very little!! I can't even remember the fingerings so insted of letting it sit in the corner on the tube stand I'm going to try to sell it and with that money.. sell a little art work and buy a little bigger cc model and keep my little 3J baby<s>. I have already contacted Scott the musicion I was trading with and told him I just couldn't give up my baby!!..bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

Ace · Post by **Ace** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:22 pm

I think you should keep your 3J. It's a good horn.

If you also want a really good bigger CC tuba, I don't think you can go wrong with the Schiller five rotor CC tuba for approximately $1780 with case. MM and TE sell these (identical) for much more money. I got mine from Laabs in Wisconsin. I've had mine for a few months and by now have had a lot of face time on it. It's a very good tuba and is well made. If this horn isn't the biggest bargain in the tuba world, I don't know what is.

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:14 pm

Ace wrote:If you also want a really good bigger CC tuba, I don't think you can go wrong with the Schiller five rotor CC tuba for approximately $1780 with case. MM and TE sell these (identical) for much more money. I got mine from Laabs in Wisconsin. I've had mine for a few months and by now have had a lot of face time on it. It's a very good tuba and is well made. If this horn isn't the biggest bargain in the tuba world, I don't know what is.

You may have already said, but what horn is this (more or less) a copy of?

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:56 am

Hi .. Is this another Chinese horn??What makes it better than the M&M and the other Chinese horns??.....bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

Barney · Post by **Barney** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:30 pm

bigbob wrote:Hi .. Is this another Chinese horn??What makes it better than the M&M and the other Chinese horns??.....bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

bigbob,

Many different brands of that identical tuba are made at the same factory in China, and then later branded with different names (Called "stenciling"). So, as far as I can tell, this 186 copy IS the M&M. One might assume that, initially, one brand is not better or worse than any other, since they are manufactured by the same workers in the same factory.

However, it appears that some brands might receive more attention than others before reaching the buyer. For example, tubamlb states in another thread that the "M&M" tubas are checked out at the factory. A different approach is used by Dillon Music, where the tubas are meticulously gone over by Matt Walters after they arrive at the store. So, while the price varies by several hundred dollars depending on which name is stamped on the bell, there SEEMS to be a reason for it.

Whether that attention improves the product enough to warrant the significant price difference would be a difficult question to answer.

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:16 pm

Hi when I asked matt about the horn I was going to trade he said it was from one of 16 factorys and he didn't know which one it was from... Thank you for answering my questions...............................................bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

Barney · Post by **Barney** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:40 pm

bigbob wrote:Hi when I asked matt about the horn I was going to trade he said it was from one of 16 factorys and he didn't know which one it was from... Thank you for answering my questions...............................................bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank"

I wonder what that means?.... Maybe he's saying there are sixteen factories that turn out brass instruments, and he doesn't know which one of them makes 186 copies.
That must be the case, as I can't believe there is such demand for 186 copies that sixteen different factories are churning them out, even on a part time basis.

But, again, it just highlights the confusion about these instruments.

Mike Finn · Post by **Mike Finn** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:48 pm

Barney wrote:However, it appears that some brands might receive more attention than others before reaching the buyer....
Whether that attention improves the product enough to warrant the significant price difference would be a difficult question to answer.

I suspect it does. The Dalyan Prague I purchased a few years ago came in the factory wrapping (not looked over by the retailer) and did have some issues that needed some attention. That cost me time and money. Still a fine little tuba for the price, but having a little more quality control either at the factory or the retailer would in my opinion be worth the extra $$$.

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:45 pm

those are very nice mouthpieces ... Mike...........bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:03 pm

I'm just NOT interested in the Chinese horns. No matter how cheap or good deal for the money, it just feels wrong to me.

I like my tubas like I like my women and my beer: German.

jeopardymaster · Post by **jeopardymaster** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:09 pm

I prefer my women like my coffee - ground up and stuffed in the freezer.

TUBAD83 · Post by **TUBAD83** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:30 pm

schlepporello wrote:
bort wrote:I'm just NOT interested in the Chinese horns. No matter how cheap or good deal for the money, it just feels wrong to me.

I like my tubas like I like my women and my beer: German.
I'll second that!

Don't forget to add overpriced and high maintenance--in all 3 cases.

JJ

bort · Post by **bort** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:05 am

TUBAD83 wrote:
schlepporello wrote:
bort wrote:I'm just NOT interested in the Chinese horns. No matter how cheap or good deal for the money, it just feels wrong to me.

I like my tubas like I like my women and my beer: German.
I'll second that!
Don't forget to add overpriced and high maintenance--in all 3 cases.

JJ

Qualität hat ihren Preis!

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:56 am

jeopardymaster wrote:I prefer my women like my coffee - ground up and stuffed in the freezer.

I've heard that it's not good to freeze coffee.

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:19 am

WOW!! That's scary Ground up women and no smiley face after it...<s> Is that the dommer affect?BUT I have to agree on the german beer Becks is the best(at least to my taste)..Is Miraphone german too??I would love to have the money to buy Marks 186 what a beautiful horn!!Gee I wonder if he would take payments haha......That certainly is my dream horn!!(at least for now<S>)..............bigbob www,rgisculptures.com

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:43 pm

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