Identifying B&S Perantucci model equivalent?

[Bob Kolada]

There's a very good chance that instrument plays better than it's modern equivalent, the "PT-10" (I think...)

There's an even better chance that any other F tuba plays better than a PT F tuba....

nah...I'd scuffle by with a modern PT-10 before I would trip over myself with a Miraphone 181-F, a Yamaha 621, or a Yamaha 822, or even a Miraphone 281-F (great intonation, but "stiff")...

I'm completely the opposite, and (in an odd contrast to your experiences) all the Yamaha F's I've played have had very good intonation.... With me seemingly gradually moving to F instruments, I just may pick up an 822 someday.


Didn't you also used to hate the 2165?

[arpthark]

This is indeed the forerunner to the modern PT-10. Thanks everyone for your pictures, input and help.

You say that the PT-9 is the modern instrument with the Symphonie's specs... is this horn available with 6 valves as well? I tried to find it on the hornboerse and the B&S website, but they only list it with 5 valves.

[Wyvern]

There's something missing from those newer-made tubas besides this-or-that bore in the mouthpipe and first two valve bore sizes.

Could it be stresses caused by modern hydraulic pressing of bows???

'arpthark', When you do go to try (whichever model), play test a gold brass version if you can. They really do seem to play with a lot warmer, more lyrical tone, maybe partly because they are more handmade? The visible joins clearly show that my PT-15 is hand-hammered from sheet brass

[Rick Denney]

I've seen quite a few modern PT-9-like instruments with 6-valves. They sound as "dead" as the 5-valve versions. There's something missing from those newer-made tubas besides this-or-that bore in the mouthpipe and first two valve bore sizes.

Dead? Pffft.

The difference between my former five-valve Symphonie and my six-valve 3099--whatever (not marked PT-9 but Symphonie dimensions dated around 1990) was present but subtle, with several people playing and listening to try and find those differences (what differences I could barely detect while playing I could not hear while listening, even with pro-quality players). And the differences that were there could not be boiled down to one better and one worse. The differences between these two and other F's, however, were significant.

The one significant difference was that the newer one played in tune out of the box, without modification.

Rick "not knowing whether this instrument is more like old ones or more like newer ones" Denney

[eupher61]

I'm late on this thread, but that's a dead ringer for mine, which I bought in 1984, as a PT-10. Except, looking closer, the logo is a bit different. the"Made in GDR" line on mine is spaced quite a bit lower.

I've played a remarkable Symphonie model, which is a totally different beast. It was a singularly amazing example too.

An interchangeable leadpipe was an option, mine is fixed, though.

The serial # on mine is 0199xxx.

And, it's the horn with "the dent" that helped the trouble range.

And, and..and...and...once I get some $$ going again (please,let it happen SOON....), a Blokepiece with a #1 rim and #2 cup will be mine. Well, as soon as bloke gets it to me, after I order it. Which I haven't done yet. So, don't send it yet, bloke.