East Tennessee State University

[drow2buh]

Though there are more than double the amount of duties included in this job posting.

Not even close.

You must do a lot at your adjunct spot then! I just teach lessons (juries, recitals, hearings, etc.), but definitely no area coordinating, other classes, and overseeing chamber classes. I'd happily do those other things with pay, though!

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Though there are more than double the amount of duties included in this job posting.

Not even close.

You must do a lot at your adjunct spot then! I just teach lessons (juries, recitals, hearings, etc.), but definitely no area coordinating, other classes, and overseeing chamber classes. I'd happily do those other things with pay, though!

I teach lessons, direct a combo, teach two other classes, perform in an ensemble, and arrange/transcribe whatever anyone needs whenever they need it (it's the Peskin Trumpet Concerto right now - in three weeks). Oh yeah, and I'm starting a vocal jazz program by myself.

"Area coordinating" at a small college doesn't impress me much. But there's no way that job has "more than double the amount of duties" that I do here, as you said. No way at all.

[drow2buh]

I teach lessons, direct a combo, teach two other classes, perform in an ensemble, and arrange/transcribe whatever anyone needs whenever they need it (it's the Peskin Trumpet Concerto right now - in three weeks). Oh yeah, and I'm starting a vocal jazz program by myself.

"Area coordinating" at a small college doesn't impress me much. But there's no way that job has "more than double the amount of duties" that I do here, as you said. No way at all.

So it would appear! I obviously meant a typical adjunct spot, not yours.

[b.williams]

Typical salary verses duties and educational requirements or not, it still is appalling.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Typical salary verses duties and educational requirements or not, it still is appalling.

If you think $25K + benefits is "appalling," you simply have no idea what adjunct professors are paid.

[TubaBob]

Re: East Tennessee State University

Unread postby Todd S. Malicoate » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:31 pm

b.williams wrote:Typical salary verses duties and educational requirements or not, it still is appalling.


If you think $25K + benefits is "appalling," you simply have no idea what adjunct professors are paid.

Reminds me of an episode of "All in the Family" where Archie says to Edith "You don't have it so bad. You know Edith some husbands beat there wives."

You can play the words however you will, but full-time university work for the same salary as full-time MacDonalds is, if not appalling, very, very sad.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Reminds me of an episode of "All in the Family" where Archie says to Edith "You don't have it so bad. You know Edith some husbands beat there wives."

You can play the words however you will, but full-time university work for the same salary as full-time MacDonalds is, if not appalling, very, very sad.

Well, then, welcome to the real world, I guess.

In some places adjunct will get you $12.5K and no benefits at all.

[TubaBob]

Again, you may certainly play with words, as long you wish. Call it the "real world" if that's a comfort to you. To borrow the syntax of a great comedian who said "what it was, was football" for this, what it is, is very, very sad. My final contribution to this line of conversation.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Again, you may certainly play with words, as long you wish. Call it the "real world" if that's a comfort to you. To borrow the syntax of a great comedian who said "what it was, was football" for this, what it is, is very, very sad. My final contribution to this line of conversation.

I guess people who don't know anything about the real world take comfort in calling reality "semantics."

It doesn't matter if you think it's sad. It's the way it is. Work as a manager at McDonalds if money is what you crave.

[PMeuph]

The point is that is that is a sad salary and that is not the norm. I am adjunct professor also and my pay is no where as low as that and my work load is no where as high. Heck my public school job has about half of the class load listed and my pay is over three times that pay.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. 66% of American college teachers are adjuncts who earn on average $20k and have no access to benefits and health care. I posted the links in my previous post, feel free to read them.

[drow2buh]

For the record, their job posting doesn't have a salary listed, right? HigherEdJobs is the one that says 25k

[Todd S. Malicoate]

For the record, their job posting doesn't have a salary listed, right? HigherEdJobs is the one that says 25k

No, it's not required to list a salary. Many of them these days go with the "salary commensurate with experience," which is almost never true.

[drow2buh]

For the record, their job posting doesn't have a salary listed, right? HigherEdJobs is the one that says 25k

No, it's not required to list a salary. Many of them these days go with the "salary commensurate with experience," which is almost never true.

Yes, this is true. I just meant that the HigherEdJobs salary listing, which sparked this giant debate, might not even be accurate.

[SeanMClancy]

Regardless, someone will always be there to post an overtly negative comment.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Yes, this is true. I just meant that the HigherEdJobs salary listing, which sparked this giant debate, might not even be accurate.

Ah. I see your point, but disagree with your conclusion.

The idea that higher education institutions aren't required to list salaries in a job advertisement (as most employers aren't) doesn't relate very well to the veracity of such information when it IS provided. Are you implying that higheredjobs.com just "made it up"?

I think that's incredibly unlikely, and the number is almost surely accurate.

Regardless, someone will always be there to post an overtly negative comment.

Pfft. If your only contribution is to chastise others for their comments, then I ask...who's the troll?

[drow2buh]

Yes, this is true. I just meant that the HigherEdJobs salary listing, which sparked this giant debate, might not even be accurate.

Ah. I see your point, but disagree with your conclusion.

The idea that higher education institutions aren't required to list salaries in a job advertisement (as most employers aren't) doesn't relate very well to the veracity of such information when it IS provided. Are you implying that higheredjobs.com just "made it up"?

I think that's incredibly unlikely, and the number is almost surely accurate.

Regardless, someone will always be there to post an overtly negative comment.

Pfft. If your only contribution is to chastise others for their comments, then I ask...who's the troll?

...I was just making a comment as an aside. I'm not sure why you love arguing and being correct so much.

Are you applying for the job? Why do you care so much? I just don't really get it...

[Todd S. Malicoate]

...I was just making a comment as an aside. I'm not sure why you love arguing and being correct so much.

You quoted my response to SeanMClancy. Did you think I was talking to you?

If not, and you're referring to my disagreement about higheredjobs.com "making up the number," then I don't see any evidence to believe they did that. Why would they specifically put $25K plus benefits if that information were not provided by the employer? It seems like a really odd position to take that they would just throw a number out there.

Are you applying for the job? Why do you care so much? I just don't really get it...

If you'll look at my posts in the thread, I've simply argued that $25K plus benefits isn't the "insulting" salary some people keep insisting it is. In reality, it's pretty good. I have some experience to back up my opinion.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Take a night off, Todd.

Seems to be a banner night for newer folks to the forum to chastise my posts, eh?

There's a little triangle with an exclamation point right over there if you'd like to notify the moderators about anything specific.

[drow2buh]

...I was just making a comment as an aside. I'm not sure why you love arguing and being correct so much.

You quoted my response to SeanMClancy. Did you think I was talking to you?

If not, and you're referring to my disagreement about higheredjobs.com "making up the number," then I don't see any evidence to believe they did that. Why would they specifically put $25K plus benefits if that information were not provided by the employer? It seems like a really odd position to take that they would just throw a number out there.

Are you applying for the job? Why do you care so much? I just don't really get it...

If you'll look at my posts in the thread, I've simply argued that $25K plus benefits isn't the "insulting" salary some people keep insisting it is. In reality, it's pretty good. I have some experience to back up my opinion.

I just "quoted" your entire post in order to reply - I didn't mean anything specific to Sean or your other response.

I have no qualms with your points about HigherEdJobs. I was just trying to make a potentially helpful comment in my original post about the job listing. I was just asking why you care so much about proving your point.

It very well might be 25k, and I'm on your side in saying that is a worthwhile job for many people. I was just pointing out that the job listing on ETSU's site posts no salary, and yes, as everyone knows, they are not required to. I have never investigated how jobs get posted/listed on HigherEdJobs, so I don't know where that info may have come from.

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused to anyone interested in the position!