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Refurbished King 2341

Postby groth » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:47 am

This ad was more comical than anything ($12,229 retail value for an "older 2341") and $7000 "street price". :roll: :lol: (Asking price of auction is lower for the record but his description is bogus).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEAN-KING-234 ... 0290.m3507" target="_blank
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby the elephant » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:20 pm

It says $3250.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby groth » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:36 pm

the elephant wrote:It says $3250.


Read Description in the Auction...
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby the elephant » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:37 pm

Regardless of his BS, the price is still a fair one, if not great, so long as the valves are in good shape. My point is about your post and not his. By not posting the actual price your post sends people to that auction thinking that he is actually asking for $7,250 for the thing, which he is not.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby groth » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:19 pm

Edited. Is that more clear?
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:04 pm

Still wondering in what universe a king 2341 (new or old) is worth 12k
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby roweenie » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Well, whatever it is, the "suggested retail price" is worthless information - since that model is no longer in production, you can't buy it new at any price. I don't even know if Conn-Selmer would agree to make a new one, custom ordered.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby KiltieTuba » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:39 pm

Kevin doesn't work there anymore, so I guess they may not know exactly what they're talking about.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby tofu » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:29 pm

Not sure I'd have the faith to suspend the body of the horn using the thumb ring.

While the actual ask price is reasonable assuming good valves and that they haven't buffed the heck out of the thing to make it all shiny again - it is a misleading add to suggest that in any universe there is a suggested list of $12,000 or a street price of $7250 - especially for a no longer in production & used horn. I expect a business in the business of selling new and refurbished instruments to pay a little more attention to truth in advertising and so would the courts.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby bigtubby » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:03 pm

Out of idle curiosity, does this fall under the "Please No eBay Scandal Posts"?

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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby bort » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:10 pm

Yeah, no kidding... hanging from the thumb ring? Looks like some kind of tuba torture chamber.

Also, why not just wait until the relacquer photos are ready?
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby groth » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:45 am

bigtubby wrote:Out of idle curiosity, does this fall under the "Please No eBay Scandal Posts"?

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No, because the seller is a real seller and the actual asking price is a real "legit?" price. The first paragraph was what I wanted to bring attention to about his claims on how much these horns go for "elsewhere" wherever that might be.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby The Big Ben » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:48 pm

the elephant wrote:It says $3250.


12/26 Now $2850

They didn't post the best pictures but...

Regardless of the other price doodoo posted, if it is fully restored and lacquered as they say, $2850 might be a good price.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby Mark » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:52 pm

The Big Ben wrote:Regardless of the other price doodoo posted, if it is fully restored and lacquered as they say, $2850 might be a good price.


They are a legitmate seller and the price is probably a good price, but the suggestion that $12,299 is a fair retail price makes the entire posting suspect.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby bort » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:59 pm

MSRP for a new 2341 in silver matches their statement... and new price for lacquer is close to their statement. Of course, this is for the new model 2341, not the old one.

https://www.musicarts.com/King-2341W-Se ... 618831.mac" target="_blank

Not like any of this really matters, and MSRP isn't particularly useful for very much. Probably a good tuba, as long as it didn't have to go through a ton of work to get ready for relacqering. Is 2850 a good deal? I don't know. Someone will probably buy it.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby lost » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:15 pm

Thanks for posting that link bort. We shouldn't drag ebay sellers through the mud, especially ones we already know are reputable.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby toobagrowl » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:08 pm

bort wrote:Is 2850 a good deal? I don't know. Someone will probably buy it.


$2,850 is a good deal for this refurbished tuba + cases. The seller is good and legit; I bought a tuba from them years ago.....
I'd take this older, tall detachable-bell 2341 over the newer, squat fixed bell King 2341 anyday :!:
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby groth » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:05 pm

lost wrote:Thanks for posting that link bort. We shouldn't drag ebay sellers through the mud, especially ones we already know are reputable.

No one is "dragging" anyone through the mud. We (some of us) are just interested in keeping honest sellers, honest. The only reason he was fluffing the numbers was likely to add more intrinsic value to the OLDER model 2341 by posting non-relevant and incorrect prices (even for the new model) so that the unsuspecting buyer may think he was getting a great deal at $3,250 then. Now with the horn being $2,850 with all that is mentioned is a decent deal, never had any question that his asking prices were out in left field, just his description (which was dishonest) to randomly use strange astronomical numbers in an auction for an older model horn that is a refurb.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby edsel585960 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:46 am

Wichita Band is a reputable dealer. That is a good price for that particular horn.
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Re: Refurbished King 2341

Postby EdFirth » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:04 pm

I agree with Edsel, there have been at least 10 of theses sold at BB and Dillon's in the last year for right around that price, give or take for condition, what bell or bells they come with, and cases. And consider the choices at those two shops for comparison. they hold their own and I have been playing on Kings since 1982 with very good results in all the venues that get talked about on here. Although, admittedly, the MSRP in the ad is somewhat exaggerated the ending price is right in the ballpark assuming that it's been overhauled properly.Ed
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