Yet another...name that tuba!

[Tubajug]

Greetings,

I was alerted to an estate sale with the horn pictured below for sale. I'm going to check it out tonight, but thought I'd get your thoughts on it. I was told it is a Martin, but I don't know anything beyond what I've seen/read here on TubeNet. If anyone can confirm or refute that, I'd appreciate it. It certainly looks to be in Eb (which is fine with me) but I've been lusting after a helicon for a while, and to have one pop up in my own city (we don't get too many local tuba sales here in Nebraska, let alone helicons...) was too good to pass up. Any thoughts, comments, etc. are most welcome!

[YORK-aholic]

The valveset looks like a Martin to me. Definitely an Eb Helicon. N

Might be an interesting horn. The smaller model of Martin Eb tubas were pretty good playing.

[Tubajug]

Good deal! Of course, I'll see when I get there tonight, but it certainly looks like it's in pretty decent shape dent-wise. The bell is nice and straight at least!

Any idea on the bore size of these? If it's anything close the King Eb I'm updating, probably around 0.620"?

Do these need a bit to play or are they plug and play right into the receiver?

[YORK-aholic]

The "Medium" or Renowned Eb tubas had a bore of about .620 also. I'd imagine that this raincatcher would be based on the same valve cluster/bore size rather than having infinite sizes of tubing to store.

[Tubajug]

Well, I went and picked it up. The price was right, and it's a bit more rough than I had thought, but I've always wanted a helicon and it looks like nothing I can't handle on my own. The neck might not be original (it has electrical tape at the end to fit it into the receiver), there's no bit(s?), some dents in the big bow, and something is making it really stuffy when I blew into just by sticking a mouthpiece into the neck to try it out. It is silver with a gold wash bell interior. It will be a project to get it up and running, but when a helicon showed up locally, I had to grab it (and my wife was gracious enough to call and arrange the meeting while I was at work!).

[roweenie]

Awesome find - congratulations!

something is making it really stuffy when I blew into just by sticking a mouthpiece into the neck to try it out

I once had an old helicon that was blocked up by a severely desiccated rat - - - maybe they like helicons for some strange reason?

Oh, and by the way, WHAT IS IT?????

[Heavy_Metal]

Could be anything- here's one I had:

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[Tubajug]

I'll post more pictures, probably tomorrow, but all I know now is it's a small- bore, Eb Martin made in Elkhart, Indiana. All the slides and valves came out, so I gave it a quick rinse outside with the garden hose. Nothing major came out of it, so perhaps one of the valves was out of alignment? I won't know until I can clean off all the gunk and find a useable neck and bits. The neck looks like it's got several layers of solder and glue holding it together.

[YORK-aholic]

Since find Sir!

[Tubajug]

Here are some photos I took prior to rinsing it out with a garden hose:



Here is one from horn-u-copia's page. They look similar, though the brace between the bell and the shoulder rest is shorter on mine and the wrap after the valveset is different.

















According to horn-u-copia's serial number chart, this one was made in 1927-28. Cool!

[iiipopes]

Hang on to that neck!!!

[Tubajug]

Hang on to that neck!!!

Even if it doesn't fit and is covered in what looks to be epoxy?

[YORK-aholic]

Even if it doesn't fit

Define 'doesn't fit'

Obviously that receiver where it goes in needs a band with the tension screw replaced and what is left there has been sort of wallowed out. Once that is squared away will the gooseneck still be too small?

[Tubajug]

Even if it doesn't fit

Define 'doesn't fit'

Obviously that receiver where it goes in needs a band with the tension screw replaced and what is left there has been sort of wallowed out. Once that is squared away will the gooseneck still be too small?

It does have the tension band/screw, I just took it off to show the condition of the receiver. I guess if the whole receiver, neck, and bits can be procured, that would be nice.

[YORK-aholic]

I guess if the whole receiver, neck, and bits can be procured, that would be nice.

Looks like you might get to try your hand at fabrication from scratch.
(Hopefully, something will show up)

[KiltieTuba]

That Martin helicon from horn-u-copia is mine. Mine's built in D, you can see the longer tuning slides compared to your Eb.

[Tubajug]

That Martin helicon from horn-u-copia is mine. Mine's built in D, you can see the longer tuning slides compared to your Eb.

Cool, I came across the video of you playing that horn as I was looking around for information.

[YORK-aholic]

Mine's built in D, you can see the longer tuning slides compared to your Eb.

Maybe that's where Mr. Bob got the idea to have Miraphone build him a D tuba!

[Tubajug]

So, just a minor update here. I found the following page from a 1916 Martin catalog. While the instrument shown is a BBb helicon, it made me think that perhaps these only used one bit? If I can find/use/repurpose one, I might have an easier time getting this playing than I originally thought. We shall see. It also would seem that mine certainly falls into the Martin "Medium" category, as I can't imagine there being one much smaller than this. It really doesn't seem like a "Monster" Eb Helicon as is listed in the catalog.