Star Wars: Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith

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wnazzaro wrote:Disappointing.

I went at midnight Thursday morning. The atmosphere was great. We had lightsabre battles break out and a fully armored Stormtrooper. The crowd was better than the film. Not that the film was bad, but...disappointing.

Remember the scene in RotJ when the Emperor and Vader are trying to turn Luke? That was the scene this film needed. Luke knew he needed to stop the Emperor or his friends would die. The Emperor gave Luke the means to kill him, turning to the Dark Side. Luke trusted the Force and with his faith, Darth Vader and the Emperor were defeated, redeeming Anakin Skywalker in the process.

The scene where Anakin helps to kill Samuel L. and then turns has no power. I never felt Anakin struggling like I felt Luke struggling. That scene needed to be much longer.

I felt no connection between the characters. Anakin loved Padme? I didn't feel anything between them, only words. Obi-Wan thought of Anakin as a brother? Didn't feel that either.

Some problems as I was watching the film: In Jedi, Leia talked of remembering their mother when talking to Luke. Padme dies in childbirth. Not a huge problem, maybe Leia is remembering her adopted mother who could die when Leia is young, or maybe the Organas had pictures of Padme they showed Leia.

In Star Wars, Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader hunted down and killed the jedi. The only jedi Vader kills are Samuel L. (hardly) and the "younglings" (stupid name, why not Padiwans?) Ohhhh, what a bad ***, kills little kids. How much cooler if Darth Vader in full black armor really did hunt down the Jedi, instead of them being killed by Stormtroopers who turned on them? Then there would be a reason for Yoda and Kenobi to go into hiding, because Vader was so powerful, they knew he would kill them. Instead, after battling to a draw with Palpatine, Yoda says, "Go into hiding I must." Which lets Lucas check off of his list the item: "Why is Yoda on Dagobah?"

Yoda does not always speak in flipped sentences!!! "Not if anything to say about it, I have," was the worst line Frank Oz ever had to say. That said, Palpatine and Yoda were the best actors in the film.

The lightsabre battles. In the original three films (IV-VI), there was no animation, just two guys in front of a blue screen with choreagraphed moves. That works so much better for story telling than all the flips and CGA they can do now. There's lots of cool in Revenge of the Sith, but not enough depth.
Bill,

You and I agree on something. What is the world coming to?

That said, on your comment about Leia and her mother: Remember Luke asks "Do you remember your mother--your real mother?"

About Vader hunting down the Jedi--I got to thinking this weekend, that Ep III should have been episode II (with I and II put together), and then ep III should have been Darth Vader going around killing Jedi. Then they could have spent more time on those alien planets.

One more thing: why all of a sudden is "Darth" the title for a sith lord? In ep IV, it is used as a name. (Obi-wan: "You can't win, Darth.")

Die, George Lucas, nobody likes you.
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Well, since so many movies these days are remakes, maybe someone will remake these last three crappy star wars movies in the original style. Even the spoilers I read were better than this movie! Watching the behind the scenes videos on the star wars sight, it seemed as though Lucas now has so much authority that nobody questions him no matter how bad his ideas are.

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Eh, whatever, I dug it. I might even go see it again tonight.
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So who all got to see the Chronicles of Narnia trailer? Thoughts?
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Doug@GT wrote:So who all got to see the Chronicles of Narnia trailer? Thoughts?
If I go see it, maybe I'll be able to learn the story beyond what I read before I got bored with the books.

I'm still afraid that it'll be too Disney-fied.
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Leland wrote:
If I go see it, maybe I'll be able to learn the story beyond what I read before I got bored with the books.
How far did you get?

Doug "enjoyed the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe but only made it to a few pages into The Silver Chair"
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Oh wow, that was a long time ago, and I hadn't hit puberty yet.. lol

I might have gotten a bit into The Silver Chair. The title sounds somewhat familiar.

My mom was into the series more than I was, though.
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Doug@GT wrote:
That said, on your comment about Leia and her mother: Remember Luke asks "Do you remember your mother--your real mother?"
Her "memories" are visions from the force. Remember, Leia had Jedi abilities, even though they weren't developed at that time.
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In Star Wars, Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader hunted down and killed the jedi. The only jedi Vader kills are Samuel L. (hardly) and the "younglings" (stupid name, why not Padiwans?) Ohhhh, what a bad ***, kills little kids. How much cooler if Darth Vader in full black armor really did hunt down the Jedi, instead of them being killed by Stormtroopers who turned on them? Then there would be a reason for Yoda and Kenobi to go into hiding, because Vader was so powerful, they knew he would kill them. Instead, after battling to a draw with Palpatine, Yoda says, "Go into hiding I must." Which lets Lucas check off of his list the item: "Why is Yoda on Dagobah?"
Did you miss the scene where Anakin storms into the Jedi Temple with a few thousand storm troopers? He kills all the jedi in the temple, though we only really see him killing the younglings. Later, when Obi-Wan checks the security holograms, we see Anakin fighting jedi in the temple.

The only missing links I found: episode 3 doesn't explain the mystery of Sifo-dyas, being the jedi who ordered the clone army, as mentioned in ep.2, or who erased the planet kamino from the jedi temple.
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It was ok, but overhyped. Oh well. Sith happens.
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wnazzaro wrote:
Was that information presented in the film? I don't mind extra-cinematic information and story lines, but there ought to be a reference to it in the movie, imho.
Yes. Obi-wan rips open his chest and you see a beating heart and other organs. And several close ups show his eyes and reptillian skin. General Grievous, if he was CGI, was the best-done CGI from Lucasfilm to date.
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SJSUW wrote:these three new episodes are lacking a sceptical/cynical character
That's what we call "the audience."

As in...

"I just paid $8.50 to see that?!?!"
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SJSUW wrote:My favorite scene in the movie: when Yoda went in and confronted the emperor, he waved his hands and the red guards promptly hit the wall and felt dead...
We cheered in the theatre when that happened. The second time I watched it (yes, i saw it twice--for shame!) it didn't work as well. Too rushed. Not Yoda-like.
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cyras21 wrote:I just saw the movie last night. I have to say there's a feeling of sadness knowing there will be no more movies to come.
yeah i just saw it today and thought it would be nice to have an Episode 3.25, 3.5 and 3.75 leading into A New Hope, but alas i don't know if they had fractions in a galaxy far far away
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The AJC's own movie question/answer guy, Mr. Smithee, put it best:

[quote="Mr. Smithee"]Dear Mr. Smithee,

I am a “Star Warsâ€
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Flaws? Actually I like it very much and I agree that there needs to be some more stuff between EpIII and EpIV. But I have to ask "why George, why?" when for the second time a wookie swinging on a rope warrants a cheese-licious tarzan jungle call?

This made me cringe - hard. I never truly forgave George for putting this pop-culture reference into EpVI during the battle in the forest.

Other than that, great!
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That is the second greatest shirt of all time.
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Now that the novelty's all worn off and i can sort of put the series into perspective, i have to say: "neat!"

What a lot of people seem to forget is that Star Wars is George Lucas' story, and sharing it with us has essentially become his life's work. The original editions still exist, and the new editions contain even more of George's story. It's a neat story and I'm glad he managed to put it to film so well.

so i'll be the first to say it, but Kudos to George Lucas!
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funkcicle wrote:
What a lot of people seem to forget is that Star Wars is George Lucas' story, and sharing it with us has essentially become his life's work.
The only thing George Lucas had in his mind when he wrote these prequels was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
and lots of it.

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